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Yesterday at 01:58 PM Perspectives on the World Christian Movement by Relztrah

A church in our area is offering the Perspectives on the World Christian Movement course and I am wondering if anybody has been through it. I know very little about this course other than what I see on the website, but I believe it started at Fuller Theological Seminary. Independently of your option of Fuller, what do you think of this course?

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Sunday, November 22, 2015 10:24 AM Log in please! by chestnutmare

I suspect that many of you read the forums without ever logging on. I would urge you to log in when you read. There are hidden forums which only members can read when they are logged in. Are you aware of our prayer forum for instance? You will only see it if you log in. It is for members only as are a few other forums as well. We want to protect the privacy of our members and yet are concerned that many of you may not even be aware of what is here because you don't log in. So please, let me encourage you to log in. This is a community of believers and as such, we do need to pray for one another. It may be one of the few places where Christians may safely connect and share their concerns and ask for prayer. Please remember these in prayer.

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Sunday, November 22, 2015 5:38 AM TULIP by chestnutmare

by John Gerstner

Total Depravity
When man first sinned he died (Genesis 2:17). Now man is spiritually dead, not well, not sick, not even terminally ill, but dead in trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1). His depravity pertaining to all aspects of his personality is total this is not to be confused with utter depravity for there is room for deprovement. Consequently this slave of sin (John 8:34), exploits every opportunity to sin in every area of his being, in thought, word and deed, by commission. or omission, and even his good works are bad (Genesis 6:5). Total depravity is our one original contribution to TULIP. We are the dirty soil in which God plants His flower and from our filth, produces a thing of divine beauty. Those who have eyes to see will notice that the TULIP is an infralapsarian plant.

Unconditional Election
If man is as depraved as the Bible says he is, his divine election to salvation would have to be as unconditional as the Bible says it is (Romans 9:15). How could a totally depraved person exercise faith in a God they hate or behave virtuously while obverse to virtue? If it were a matter of foreseeing what would God foresee but sin and unbelief? Unless He elected to rescue some of the deservedly perishing. The election to salvation is absolutely unconditional, but the salvation is not, faith being its prerequisite and good works its post requisite.

Limited Atonement
The atonement is the means by which God brings totally depraved, but unconditionally elect persons to Himself, without violence to His own inexorable holiness. His mercy constrains Him to save and His holiness restrains Him from saving unjustly. So God became man in Christ that He could pay the price for sin and remain God, He did not empty Himself of deity when He became incarnate, so that the purchase was infinite in value. That the atonement was unlimited in its sufficiency as in its offer and limited only in its specific design for those who believe (John 3:16). Those who believe are the elect (Romans 8: 30). I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy at once explains the unconditional character of election and the limitedness of the atonement.

Irresistible Grace
The infinitely precious atonement would be of no value because totally depraved persons even though elect are utterly hostile to God unless something was done to them in grace that corresponded to what was done for them in the atonement. Saving grace need not only be provided but applied by means of union with Christ in regeneration. This divine grace is irresistible or efficacious because it mercifully changes the depraved soul. When a person is born again from above by the Spirit, he as a new creature finds it as natural, irresistible to come to Christ, as in his depravity he finds it natural, irresistible to flee from Him (John 3:3-8) Grace is irresistible not by being against manís will but by recreating his will.

Perseverance of the Saints
The purpose of God would fail if the last of Christís sheep who were not brought and kept within his fold (John 17:20,21; 2 Peter 3:9) So the saints must be persevering. And this could only be possible or certain by Godís preserving. Having put his hand to the plow God never turns back (Philippians 1:6). Because He does not, neither do His saints (Philippians 2:11,12). Perseverance by the saints is a consequence of the preservation of the saints Let us keep our eyes fixed on Jesus on who our faith depends from beginning to end (Hebrews 12:2).

[Transcribed from the PCRT 1978 lectures]

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:30 AM The Marrow controversy by John_C

My church has started using Sinclair Ferguson audio tapes on the Marrow controvery in our Wednesday night study. I wonder if anyone here can give more information on it.

Basically, there were two groups of men in a Scottish presbytery holding to different views on what is the Marrow controversy. There were the Marrow men, which Ferguson would have belong, and the Neononians.

Here is my initial thought so far. It was written in the handout, the Neonomians held that the gospel is a "new law", replacing the OT law with the legal conditions of faith and repentance needing to be met before salvation can be offered. I wonder what the Neonomians position would be regarding the "regeneration preceeds faith" argument. Was even that terminology around at that time? I haven't came across either group using that terminology. Maybe that argument is not germane to the Marrow controversy, but it seems like it would be central, and straight to the point of argument.

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Monday, November 16, 2015 12:54 AM Anybody See This Film? by Tom


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