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Mexican illegal immigration into the USA
by Anthony C.. Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:32 PM
Presuppositional Debate
by Tom. Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:12 PM
Question about sermons
by Johan. Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:54 AM
Same sex atrraction sinful then what?
by Tom. Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:35 AM
TWU Denied Law School Accreditation
by Tom. Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:14 AM
Reformed Confessions of Faith and the Traditional Text
by Pilgrim. Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:43 AM
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6 hours ago
"Sad thing is, it’s you and me that are paying the South American human smugglers through U.S. taxpayer funds. Laundered through the immigration business bagmen at U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, and/or, U.S. Catholic Charities, or Southwest Key Programs Inc; or Baptist Child and Family Services Emergency Management Division (BCFS-EMD), just to name a few."

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...trols-are-the-epicenter-of-the-uniparty/
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Yesterday at 05:12 PM
Pilgrim
That is just it, I agreed with him in principle; yet for some reason I didn't like how he presented himself.
That is why I posted here; I am all too aware how the flesh can distort how we perceive things.
The only thing I might have said to the guy who said he was a Christian may have been, seeing he obviously doesn't believe the Bible is what God claimed it to be, then there is no sense continuing with the discussion. Then leaving it that way.

Tom
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Yesterday at 03:54 PM
Good day!

I have a question about making connections/links between different parts of Scripture in sermons.

Last Sunday we had the second in a series of sermons on Judges. In this case the sermon was mostly about Judges 2. I am not going to give all the background on the sermon. Towards the end of the sermon, the pastor referred to Judges 2:19 where it is stated that after the death of judge the people returned and corrupted themselves more than their fathers etc. The pastor pointed out that what we see in the book of Judges is a downward spiral for Israel. He then said that this downward spiral is a call for the Messiah to come.

My question is whether, in this specific case, it is really valid to make such a link. One can argue that there is nothing wrong with it, but is this really what the message of verse 19 is? Obviously the pastor wanted to make a connection with the Gospel and to some extent I am fine with that. But, as I said, is such a connection really "valid"?


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Yesterday at 10:21 AM
Originally Posted by Tom
We also know that the Bible says that everyone already knows God, because He has shown it them this truth in creation. (Roman 1:19-20)

Yes, there are certain things one can know perceptively from the natural creation:

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Romans 1:18-20 (ASV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, [even] his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse:

Notice that the truth of God's existence and His sovereignty (Creator & Ruler of all things) is manifest IN them and perceived outside of themselves in the creation. Thus, they are without excuse for all men know that God exists and the existence of all things demonstrates this truth. Yet man by nature says, "Don't confuse me with the facts, e.g., true science, I've already got my mind made up!".

Originally Posted by Tom
Why then did I not like how Sye was presenting himself? I am trying to put a finger on it.

Perhaps you have some preconceived idea how Sye should have presented himself. What I saw was Proverbs 26:4 (ASV) "Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou also be like unto him." Do you think that James White presents himself better (what would be your understanding of 'better'?) than Sye Ten Bruggerncate? Who, in your estimation is the best example of how a Christian apologist should present himself/herself?
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Yesterday at 05:07 AM
I just watched a video by Sye Ten Bruggerncate who is a Presuppositional apologist. I must say that as I watched it, although I consider myself a presuppositionalist; I found myself getting annoyed at how he presented himself. I agree 100% that we should never give up Scripture as our ultimate authority. I agree with him that often we as Christians try to obey Matt. 28:19, forgetting the word “therefore”; which refers back to what was said earlier in verse 18. “And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
In other words there must be an ultimate authority to which we base truth on and Sye is correct, we should never give up that authority. We also know that the Bible says that everyone already knows God, because He has shown it them this truth in creation. (Roman 1:19-20)
He was correct the other men needed to repent for not believing Scripture. Especially the guy near the end, who said he was a Christian, yet did not believe hell is real.

Why then did I not like how Sye was presenting himself? I am trying to put a finger on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQKjUzotw_Y&t=2948s

Tom
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:59 PM
1. The previous administrations ignored, for the most part, the LAW which Congress enacted and the President signed. Trump and the Immigration Dept is simply enforcing the LAW for ILLEGALS who are asking for asylum. Those who do most assuredly have been advised and coached to do that. Does anyone really think that these foreigners know American immigration policy/law? [Linked Image]

2. The vast majority of the immigrants who try and cross the U.S. Border are not in any danger in their home countries. Wanting an alleged "better lifestyle" is hardly synonymous with being threatened with imprisonment and/or death by a government.

Sooooo, yes the so-called "news" that comes through the Leftist media, which is an arm of the Democratic Party is anything but true and reliable. Unfortunately, in other countries that is all people are exposed to. In this country, it is a conscious choice of people to get news from the mainstreet media and to not listen to or watch any of the few conservative news outlets, e.g., Fox News, CRTV, Rush Limbaugh, et al.
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:44 PM
Interesting, because what I heard is previous governments were not seperating children from parents.

I also heard that the main reason Mexican parents are willing to take the risk from being seperated from their children is the alternative is worse.

Are these two aspects "fake news"?

Tom
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:35 PM
Not sure if the author would disagree with you.
Tom
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:53 AM
Yes, I agree with the article... with one exception.

1. Before God, ALL and ANY sin is worthy of an eternity of damnation.

2. Before men, homosexuality and all its expressions are an abomination and thus it is more odious because it is a sin against the body; against nature itself. This too is a truth taught in Scripture.
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:44 AM
1. John has a good point, which I heard Rush Limbaugh use yesterday on his radio broadcast. Children are separated from a parent(s) when those parents are caught, prosecuted and punished for committing a crime, which they chose to do... So, why the outcry about children being separated from parents of those who choose to try and enter the U.S. illegally, are caught and sent back to where they came from? Note carefully, which the "drive by media" has not and probably won't make known, the only time children of illegal parent(s) are separated from their parents is when the parents CHOOSE to demand asylum in the U.S. Otherwise, they are only separated temporarily, rarely more than an hour or two when the parents are being questioned.

2. The Leftists use this fake news of children automatically being ripped from their mothers/parents to try and make President Trump look like a heartless monster, which is simply another attempt to discredit him and get him removed from office. Why? Because they literally hate the man because he is one who mostly stands upon the U.S. Constitution vs. the Leftists who are determined to throw out the U.S. Constitution and the Democratic Republic; a free society and bring in Socialism/Communism. The two are antithetical and the Leftists will stop at nothing to accomplish their goal(s).

3. This policy of separating children and parents of those trying to enter the U.S. illegally is not something Donald Trump has done by executive order or some other personal mandate. The practice is Federal Law which has been on the books and implemented since 1997. The law was enforced under the Obama and Bush administrations but why is it only being attacked now? Nothing was ever even whispered when Obama was president. scratchchin

4. Finally, the outcry on the Left and some on the Right, who have been lied to about what is really happening because they listen to the mainstreet media and it's fake new and outright lies, is designed also to rid the country of its current immigration laws and bring in open borders. This has always been the Leftists' position and even now protecting illegal aliens by refusing to cooperate with federal immigration officers. Why? Because the Leftists have always capitalized on immigrants, even those who come to the U.S. legally by creating social programs. Why? Because they make the immigrants dependent upon the government by giving them whatever they need, which in many cases far exceeds what Americans get when in need. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that when you are given things for free you become not only dependent upon the giver but the things and thus you will VOTE for the giver(s) in order to keep the giving coming your way.
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:44 AM
Is this separation different from separating a child from a parent or parents when the parent or parents are incarcerated in prison for committing a crime. Apparently the problem is that for many illegal immigration is not a crime. Or, we can push it down the road where their will become complaints about separating a child from parent for any parent to be placed in prison, especially a minority one.
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:50 AM
Do you agree, or disagree with the following link's view on same sex attraction?
http://www.dennyburk.com/if-same-sex-attraction-is-sinful-then-what/#more-35212

Tom
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:32 AM
I just finished listening to an interesting broadcast on Dr. Albert Mohler’s ‘The Briefing’.
https://albertmohler.com/2018/06/18/briefing-6-18-18/?mc_cid=e870569d53&mc_eid=ab5fb0a16a
The basic topic is Mexican illegal immigration into the USA; especially how it pertains to separating children from their parents.
The question was asked: “Why would Mexican parents risk their children from being separating from them?”
The answer: was equally if not more troubling: “The risk is not as bad as staying in Mexico.”
Thinking about this particular issue, I think the US government is caught between a rock and a hard place. The laws that separate the children from their parents are created as a deterant. Yet to date, the deterrent is not working. No wonder past government administrations seemed content to ignore the problem.

Tom
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Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:14 AM
Hi Pilgrim
I just found out a little more applicable information concerning this matter.
In this particular case it only applies to British Columbia and Ontario; which amounts to about half the population of Canada.
I also found out that this also applies to existing lawyers in these two provinces. They need to sign a document upholding the LBGQ rights as opposed to old traditional rights; or lose the right to practice law. I find it hard not to read into the future ramifications such a stand.
I was also talking to some parents after Church today during coffee time. A woman was talking about how she was taking courses to learn more about home schooling. She was saying that in public school parents no longer have a say about what is being taught to their children. It is now mandatory for them to be taught about LBGQ, in keeping with the government agenda. She also said it looks like in the future, anyone homeschooling their children might be forced to teach that agenda to their children as well. I told her about a family that came to Canada from Germany, that came here basically because in Germany home school was not allowed and that their children were not their own, they belonged to the government.
Her response was, it did not surprise her, because it looks like Canada in headed that way as well.
As an aside note; I listened to a short video clip of the Prime Minister of England saying to the British people basically that they do not own their children, the government does.
Tom
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Theology Discussion Forum
Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:43 AM
Okay, so you prefer the 'Textus Receptus' vs. Westcott-Hort or the Nestle-Aland texts. I have read Burgon's book and others who defend the 'Textus Receptus' and I have also read many books that defend the 'Majority Text'. There are valid arguments on both sides which makes it very difficult to choose between them. However, I am curious if you go further than siding with the Textus Receptus and also believe that only one of the many translations based upon the Textus Receptus is equally inspired, i.e. the translation shares the same divine authorship and the original autographa, aka: The King James Bible?
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:18 AM
Thank you Pilgrim, that makes a lot of sense. I plan on continuing the conversation with the men who I was having the conversation with.

Tom
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:18 AM
I could only guess that those in power in Canada; Trudeau & co., view the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as a "living document", much like the Leftists in this country view the Constitution of the United States. What that means is that those documents are to be interpreted and applied NOT according to the framers' original intent, but rather according to the contemporary social climate, aka: Situation Ethics. Throw in the idea of "cultural boundness" and you basically ignore what the documents actually mean. The true intent and meaning of the U.S. Constitution is easily proven from the writings of the actual framers, i.e., the Federalist Papers where their reasons for what the Constitution says is made known. But in the eyes of the Leftists, such things are nothing more than the musings of unenlightened men which have no relevance today and thus they can be ignored and have no authority to today's advanced society.

As I have mentioned here numerous times, there is a frightening parallel between secular government and ecclesiastical policies. eek
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:16 PM
Pilgrim
Thanks, I had forgotten about the Canadian Charter of Rights.
Some time ago I was talking about the Alberta case where the Christian couple were refused adoption because they believe that marriage should be between one man and one woman.
The conversation I was having was with a couple of men from my Church. The answer I received back surprised me. One guy said unfortunately the government of Alberta was acting in accordance with the laws of land and it was their right to rule that way. Another man nodded in agreement.
Had I had time I might have pressed him further on the issue and still might in the future.
I am trying to find out where the Canadian laws support such views.
Do you have any idea?

Tom
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:47 AM
Originally Posted by John_C
Does Canada have something akin to our Bill of Rights?

Canada has the "Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms".

See Constitutional Act, 1982.

also this Wikipedia article: Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
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Theology Discussion Forum
Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:29 AM
John
I am no expert on Messianic Judaism, however I do know that not all Messianic congregations believe the same thing. I used to go for coffee with one and found out that he believed that Christ came to restore the Jews to their original glory. Never did find out more than that though.
If you want to know more, I think Google is your friend.

Tom
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:08 AM
We have freedom of religion, but just like in the USA we are seeing things like this take priority over freedom of religion.
It also appears that our Prime Minister has more respect for Islam than Christianity.

Tom
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:56 AM
Does Canada have something akin to our Bill of Rights?
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:27 AM
As I think about the ramifications of this ruling; I am not sure it is too much of a stretch that this kind of ruling will effect Churches. For example Church membership. What happens in the future if a homosexual is denied membership because they are a homosexual. Would the Church win a court case on this issue?
I can see a time where the only Churches are government sanctioned liberal Churches. (Which of course are not real Churches at all.)
All others will need to go under ground. This of course isn't new in the history of the Church.

Tom
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:15 AM
TWU Denied Law School Accreditation

Well it is official, after years in the courts Trinity Western University has been denied Law School accreditation.
The basic reason is according to the Law Societies of Canada is that TWU's covenant prohibits sex outside heterosexual marriage by their students and faculty. Also the law societies says it is impossible for a Christian lawyer to represent their clients fairly.
The societies say the covenant amounts to discrimination.

I am not a big fan of TWU, however I commend them for not compromising on their covenant. Which to me is a no brainer for any organization that calls itself "Christian."
This ruling does not surprise me in this day and age; where in Alberta, a Christian couple were refused being able to adopt because they believe marriage should be between one man and one woman.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4707240
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Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:13 AM
What is it precisely? I know they attempt to combine that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and Judaism, but how does it really work? Also, what is the history behind it? I have a cousin-in-law who attends a Messianic Judaism congregation, but no one in my family has asked about it. I kinda see it as being no worse than the typical UMC church which she attended before. My cousin, her husband, died a couple of years ago.

How do they view Jesus and the atonement, and what do they do with Galatians where Paul chastise the Judiazers?
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