liOsccO<br><br>Perhaps by quoting you some of the discussion between myself and JG (a Lutheran) it will help you understand what they believe.<br><br>JG<br><br>What you don't seem to understand about Calvinist theology, is that we believe in faith alone, but not a faith that is alone.<br>James says it this way: 14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.<br><br>Notice in verse 18 it says "and I will shew thee my faith by my works." <br>This is a lot different than RC's believe, for they believe faith + works saves. Not faith that works saves.<br>Just because I think it makes it even clearer, I will post the rest of the chapter.<br>19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. <br><br> <br>JG<br>Unregistered User<br>(3/4/03 5:58:40 am)<br>Reply Christ alone<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> Hi Stephen and Tom,<br><br>Tom,<br>Lutherans also believe that faith does work, but work and faith are not combined but remain distinct from one another. Faith cannot be defined by "belief" plus "works". To do this is to create an understanding of salvation before the Reformation. A key doctrine of the true church is the doctrine of justification which is based on "sola fide". One's Justification is declared by God based on Christ's work alone. Righteousness is credited to the man that does not work but trusts God (Rom. 4:5). For a man to put any "stock" in his own works produces a "synergistic" doctrine of justification/salvation that leads away from the truth that the cause of our being declared "righteous" is due to Christ alone. <br> Contrary to the understanding of some, James is not dealing with the doctrine of Justification "in the sight of God"."<br><br>li0scc0, notice his last line.<br><br><br><br>