God in fact did not fail. He came to redeem His creation, and every sinner that every lived. He accomplished that fact totally. He overcame the fall for every single human being.
I have yet to you exegete that assertion from scripture. I don't want to hear how you and some of your closest friends believe alike, I want Gods Word. That isn't redemption by any definition I have seen. What you put forth is that the death of Christ saved none. It only made all men salvable, actual salvation being according to mans whimsical choices. You deny the vicarious nature of the atonement and therefore limit it's power.
Christ overcame death, thus freed mankind from that bondage to death and sin.
Then why do people still die? Did Adam need salvation prior to the fall? If man is has been returned to his pre-adamic state, every man is already in communion with God.
How successful does one need to be. Not one was unredeemed. Christ put mankind back into the pre-Adamic state of being able to once again commune with God.
That is not the definition of
redeemed.
Redeem
REDEE'M, v.t. [L. redimo; red, re, and emo, to obtain or purchase.]
1. To purchase back; to ransom; to liberate or rescue from captivity or bondage, or from any obligation or liability to suffer or to be forfeited, by paying an equivalent; as, to redeem prisoners or captured goods; to redeem a pledge.
2. To repurchase what has been sold; to regain possession of a thing alienated, by repaying the value of it to the possessor.
3. To rescue; to recover; to deliver from.
4. To compensate; to make amends for.
5. To free by making atonement.
6. To pay the penalty of.
7. To save.
8. To perform what has been promised; to make good by performance. He has redeemed his pledge or promise.
9. In law, to recall an estate, or to obtain the right to re-enter upon a mortgaged estate by paying to the mortgagee his principal, interest, and expenses or costs.
10. In theology, to rescue and deliver from the bondage of sin and the penalties of God's violated law, by obedience and suffering in the place of the sinner, or by doing and suffering that which is accepted in lieu of the sinner's obedience.
11. In commerce, to purchase or pay the value in specie, of any promissory note, bill or other evidence of debt, given by the state, by a company or corporation, or by an individual. The credit of a state, a banking company or individuals, is good when they can redeem all their stock, notes or bills, at par.
In your view, Christ only made a way for you to be "1.purchased back to Himself." The death of Christ didn't actual "2.repurchase" anybody, but only made the way to God
possible. I only allows for one to chioose to "3.rescue" themselves. Jesus didn't actually "4.compensate" for sin, but only for the fall. We were not "5.freed" from our sinful natures as man still has a propensity for evil, nor, in your view, did the death of Christ actually "5.free" anybody from eternal punishment. You deny that Christs death was a
vicarious sacrifice because it did not "6.pay the penalty" of anything. man is left to himself to deal with his sins. It surely didn't
actually "7. save" anybody, only made men salvable. I hope you understand the error here in your definition.
Those that do not believe have already been condemned.
Then we all die, because at one time, we were all unbelievers. Since Christ didn't actually atone for this sin, all men perish by it's commission.
Unless you can theologically show that Adam did not of his own will chose to sin, you can make a statement that man has no will. You will need to show that God also has no will, because scripturally that is part of our Image of God.
Once again, you misrepresent reformed beliefs. I truly hope you take to learning what you teach against. Nobody here denies that we make choices. We deny that we make them from a free-will. We also believe those wills are forever linked to our nature, which affects how we make decisions.
Could you offer a passage that says man has free-will, please?
God bless,
william
