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li0scc0 said:
If you actually read Augustine you will see that his beliefs were VERRRRYYY different from Reformed beliefs. I do find it humorous that Reformed folks state they are carrying on the tradition of Augustine.
1) Augustine Believed in Purgatory and Praying for the Departed
2) Augustine Believed in the Necessity of the Lord's Supper for Salvation
3) Augustine Believed the Mass to be a Sacrifice
4) Augustine Believed in the Real Presence
5) Augustine Believed Baptism was Necessary for Salvation
6) Augustine believed in Baptismal Regeneration and Grace
7) Augustine Believed in Authoritative Tradition
8) Augustine believed the canon of Scripture to contain the Greek OT canon also known today as the deuterocanonicals or "Apocrypha"
9) Augustine Believed In the Communion of Saints and Saintly Intercession
10) Augustine Believed in the Authority of the Church
11) Augustine Believed in Apostolic Succession
12) Augustine Believed in the Possibility of Falling from Grace
13) Augustine Believed in the Sacrament of Penance
14) Augustine Believed Mary To Be Ever Virgin (of course so did Calvin...)
And R.C. Sproul is a Partial Preterist and Luther remained Catholic when he first became Reformed, however both men are to be esteemed highly and even occasionally quoted for their other beliefs that are consistent with the faith once delivered. Though I and others would find much of Augustine in error it must be understood that he still was developing in his faith--as are all of us. If you are looking for someone in ancient or present day history that is 100% correct in all their theology to quote, you will never find a single one (save some in Scripture). Thus, even you are left with nothing else to say and thus should not be posting anything else here or anywhere! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/3stooges.gif" alt="" />

Tom said it well, YOU MISSED THE POINT!!!

PS: you are correct though I do need to read more of Augustine than merely, Confessions, Augustine of Hippo: A Biography, The City of God, Saint Augustine's Conversion, Augustine the African, On Christian Doctrine, Answer to the Pelagians II: Works of Saint Augustine I/24, and the English versions of: De vera religione, Contra Faustum Manichaeum, in Ioannis epistulam tractatus, and Regula sancti Augustini, etc. It would be nice to have all his works, but I am a long way from that.... Anyway thanks for the reminder. I will add some more of his books in my next book order from WTS. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" />

Reformed and Always Reforming,