Hi Thredrice,<br><br>I could only listen to Hank describe the Reformed doctrine of effectual calling as God the "cosmic rapist" a couple of times before I made a covenant with my ears not to listen to his program anymore. I do not deny that it has a place of doing some good for those who are caught up in cultish practices, but for the typical evangelical I would say it is mere milk, and skim milk at that. *blech*<br><br>My $.02,<br><br>~Jason