Robin, so you are saying that Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit before he was baptised?

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Scripture very clearly tells us that Jesus is God (the Son), who with the Father and the Spirit, are one God yet three distinct Persons. Yet He was also fully human (not "part human and part God" as some have postulated).

I don't believe that Jesus "had" the Holy Spirit in the same way before as after His baptism. He was without sin for all the thirty or so years before J.B. baptized Him. To try putting it perhaps more accurately, the Holy Spirit was with Jesus before His baptism.

While Scripture seems to refer to the Holy Spirit as a gift, He is not something humans may possess or control (even though "the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets" according to 1st Corinthians 14:2). In fact it is to be quite the opposite for us.

We are told in the Scriptures that Jesus subjected Himself to the Father (as well as earthly authorities), and that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son (John 15:26, Galatians 4:6). The Holy Spirit descending on Jesus at His baptism is different from His "getting" or "having" the Holy Spirit in the same way that you and I are to receive Him.

The descent of the dove and the voice from heaven may have been Jesus' ordination ceremony, so to speak. Once He identified Himself with humanity by being baptized (though He had no need to be baptized since He was without sin), His work would be different from what it was before. In addition to amazing others with His understanding and answers regarding the Scriptures (Luke 2:47), He would thereafter perform miraculous signs, call disciples, teach multitudes, die and rise again. I tend to think of His baptism as an anointing / ordination by God the Father and witnessed by the Spirit as well as by John and those standing near.


Last edited by Robin; Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:04 PM.