Originally Posted by PerpetualLearner
The Christian community would do well to know what they are talking about when using the words "homosexual" and "homosexuality". Maybe a good start is the chapter on sexual orientation in this 2015 edition college textbook.... I repeat, I don't go to a psychologist to learn about theology; and I don't go to a preacher to learn about psychology.

David Meyer has no authority to dictate what a true Christian believes regarding homosexuals/lesbians/whatever. God's divinely inspired written Word is the only source of truth on the matter of how a man is to think, feel and act. In that sense, Scripture is the only reliable and authoritative source of "psychology", i.e., the "science of the soul". It is rather odd that you claim to love reading the Puritans who were 'masters of the soul" and whose views regarding such things as homosexuality are referred to pejoratively as "Puritanical". scratchchin

Originally Posted by PerpetualLearner
I see how easily the right wing lost the battle on 'gay marriage'. Pontificating on matters from ignorance is not very effective. . . How well did that work out for those impressed with George A. Rekers? He was a psychologist, ordained minister, ex-gay advocate, specialist on matters dealing with homosexuality, testifying before government committees. He was active in the farce of Reparative Therapy. Then he was caught vacationing with a "Rent Boy" returning to the Miami Int'l airport.

1 The "right wing" lost the battle on gay marriage simply because the "right wing" turned their back, but particularly their mind and heart, on God. Contrary to popular myth, the "right wing" is not, I say, it is NOT Christian by any stretch of the imagination. What the "right wing" consists of, at least for the most part, although that is quickly going away, is a group of people who embrace to one degree or another a set of moral values and/or traditional values. But Christian they are not. The overwhelming number of so-called Evangelicals are unregenerate church-goers practicing 'churchianity'. The majority of visible churches in our day rarely even speak of sin, and those who dare to do so have redefined the term to mean simply various external deeds.

2. The lack of true biblical preaching/teaching has been at least contributed to the downfall of our societies and plunged it into moral decay. This was Satan's plan all along; to chip away at the foundation with the intent to topple the church, i.e., to make the church simply another facet of a corrupt society, aka: worldly. Paul warned about this danger and real threat in his Epistle to the Colossians:

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Colossians 2:4-9 (ASV) "This I say, that no one may delude you with persuasiveness of speech. For though I am absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. As therefore ye received Christ Jesus the Lord, [so] walk in him, rooted and builded up in him, and established in your faith, even as ye were taught, abounding in thanksgiving. Take heed lest there shall be any one that maketh spoil of you through his philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ: for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,"

Contrariwise, the injunction to those who have been truly called by God and given a new nature through the regenerating work of God the Spirit is thus:
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2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 (ASV) "But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, for that God chose you from the beginning unto salvation in sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: whereunto he called you through our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours."

There is little doubt in my mind that God has given the known "Western World" over to it's wicked desires and withdrawn the restraint of the Spirit it once had and when God truly blessed those nations with faithful men who proclaimed the truth without reserve. What Paul wrote in Romans 1 is nothing less than a perfect description of what the modern world is today. And, thus consistent with the title of this thread, "Nothing New Under the Sun?"

3. You can continue to post your convoluted use of Scripture to justify your abominable sin, which in the OT was worthy of death, use liberal 'scholars' and revised texts that are now sympathetic to the homosexual agenda, refer articles, etc., by non-Christian authors, but they will never have any influence to change my view nor any other Christ-honoring individual in regard to homosexuality or any other sexual deviancy. God is clear...... sin is sin and must be repented of, "for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them....who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them."


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