The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum What's wrong with Charismatics?

Hmmmmm, it seems that the questions I asked you have gone unanswered. Yet, you bring forth questions for me to answer. And, you haven't even finished your reply to the response previous to that one. This doesn't seem quite right to me, ya know what I mean, Vern? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink[/img] Something is wrong with this picture.

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[color:"blue"]2. Is that why the gospel writers sometimes quoted Jesus differently and even gave somewhat differing accounts of events - differing in minor details, that is?

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What exactly is the problem you are seeing here? I find nothing problematic at all that the 4 Gospel writers have penned different things about the same event. As the aforementioned text says, these men were "moved by the Holy Spirit". Thus, whatever they wrote, it was exactly what the Spirit intended to be written. The problem is not with the text, but rather with the reader who is struggling with or refuses to accept the Bible's self-attestation concerning its divine origin, authority, infallibility and inerrancy. In fact, I would submit to you that God intended that we get more of the whole picture of what occurred throughout the life of Jesus Christ and His disciples by using four different writers. Remember, the doctrine of Scripture held by the Church has never said that the biblical writers were mindless automatons; dictation machines. Their personalities, talents, education, etc., were not excluded. But, by the Holy Spirit, what they wrote was "borne along" (moved) and thus guarded from error.

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[color:"blue"]And also why there were times when the apostles quoted Jesus saying things that were not in the gospels we have?

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John 21:24-25 (ASV) "This is the disciple that beareth witness of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his witness is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that should be written."

All things which God purposed for His people to know have been recorded in the Scriptures. If it is not recorded, then clearly it was not essential to know. There are times when Jesus Christ and/or others would quote from the Septuagint or give a free translation of a text from the Torah, or quote from a source we do not have. Of what consequence is this? Are these things contrary to the historic doctrine of inspiration? Hardly not! Methinks you are looking for a way to diminish the weight of the doctrine of inspiration and the consequential authority which the Scriptures demand and the obedience it requires.

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[color:"blue"]3. Do you believe that when Paul said this, that he was operating under the movement of the Holy Spirit:

" I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied:..." I Corinthians 14:5

If so, what has changed?

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At this stage of the discussion, it should go without saying that I give 100% assent to the inspiration of every word written in Scripture. Thus Paul's exhortation in 1Cor 14:5 is no less inspired than anything else he wrote. Inspiration demands the verity of the text; it does not provide the interpretation of it. It is the task of the reader to understand the purpose of the writer as well as the passage under consideration to come to a proper understanding. What you are asking now is a question of hermeneutics, which is another topic entirely. If you are wanting to discuss biblical hermeneutics, please begin a new thread so that this one may continue on topic. But not to leave you hanging totally, as I suspect you are actually wanting to know if I hold to a Cessationist position, which I certainly do [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/evilgrin.gif" alt="evilgrin" title="evilgrin[/img], I will send you off to peruse this section of articles: The Charismatic Movement.

Now, I do hope that you will finish up your reply that you said you would hopefully do. And, then it would be nice if you could answer the questions I posed to you in my previous response. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/cool.gif" alt="cool" title="cool[/img]