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#1103 Sun Aug 04, 2002 8:59 PM
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I was wondering if any of you would be able to help me in getting hard info on the Christian relationship between Tolkien and Lewis? Anything I could print off from the net would be greatly appeciated (give me links; I need links!!!). A friend is trying to let some folks at her church know that Tolkien was a Christian and that his fantasy stories are actually safe for Christians, young and old, to read. Primarily, I'm interested in finding out the details of how Tolkien led Lewis to Christ. Any help is deeply appreciated<br><br>Papa John

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Papa I suggest that if you really want to know about Lewis' conversion read his book Surprised by Joy.

There are many good websites about Lewis but this is one of the best. Into the Wardrobe Start there.

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Papa_John,<br>Here's one.<br>http://www.credenda.org/back_issues.html Hope it helps.<br>Susan

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You may have already read it, but the biography by AN Wilson is very good; lots of stuff relevant to what you're interested in.<br><br>Chrysostomos

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I was led to believe that Tolkien was as high as a kite on drugs when writing Lord of the rings. I have never heard anyone say otherwise .............<br><br>Lewis was an arminian btw(unless he repented of it ?)

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Another good read is Ralph Woods' The Gospel According to Tolkien. Woods is an English professor specialising in Tolkien, at Baylor University in GA. He stayed at our house for several days while giving seminars here, and was one of the most gracious and courteous CHristian men I have ever met. And, no, Howard, Tolkien was certainly not high when he wrote LOTR. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh[/img]


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Mark, I've never heard that Tolkien was high . . . wasn't he Catholic?


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I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.
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[color:"blue"]I was led to believe that Tolkien was as high as a kite on drugs when writing Lord of the rings. I have never heard anyone say otherwise .............

Lewis was an arminian btw(unless he repented of it ?)



Mark I don't know where you get your sources and frankly I don't care you might want to do some real investigation before you spout off statements like that. Plus Lewis was Church of England. Take that as you will. rolleyes2


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Yes he was Catholic. I'd say the suggestion he was high is slanderous myself.


"There is nothing that keeps wicked men at any one moment out of hell, but the mere pleasure of God." - Jonathan Edwards
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[color:"blue"]I was led to believe that Tolkien was as high as a kite on drugs when writing Lord of the rings. I have never heard anyone say otherwise

After reading that display of unimpeachable logic, I must know: have you ever considered a career in law? Any attorney's office would love to get you working for them if you could deliver that line before a jury with a straight face ! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/evilgrin.gif" alt="evilgrin" title="evilgrin[/img]

It must have been both an expensive and well-concealed habit--well, to everyone except whoever led you to believe it!--since Mr. T was, in one form or another, writing the books over the course of many years, during which he held a prominent public position.

It is undeniable that a fair part of the Rings' audience in the 60's and 70's allegorized, for self-justification, the hobbits' Longbottom Leaf pipeweed as cannabis. But the integrated density of his histories, his exaltation of righteousness, and the sheer beauty of his language are most assuredly not the product of an acid-head.



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Paul S
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Has anyone seen Return of the King yet? I have heard rave reviews about it. <br>I can't wait to see it. We've probably seen about 10 movies in the last 20 years at the theater. We saw Two Towers last year and The Fellowship of the Ring on video. We just watched the first two movies again on video to get ready for the third movie. The ring is a great symbol for the power and seduction sin can have over us. Even if Tolkein was a Roman Catholic, he is a great story teller! There is much truth in his writings.<br>Susan

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Susan,<br><br>I haven't seen The Return of the King yet--but am looking forward to it. I have come to have a LOT of respect for the actor who plays Gimli, due to this interview:<br><br>http://markcameron.blogspot.com/2003_12_07_markcameron_archive.html#107128894556464929<br><br>I have trouble believing anyone is left in Hollywood with this much wisdom.<br><br>Theo

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Thanks Theo [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile[/img] It was an interesting read!<br>Susan

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John Rhys-Davies is more of a stage actor than Hollywood. As are many of the cast of the LOTR movies.<br><br>On a side note, the pipe weed used in the Hobbit's pipes is just regular tobacco and not a narcotic.


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Susan,

I have just returned from my second viewing in the last two evenings; last night with my wife and tonight with the older children.

Although I have read the books multiple times over the past 30 years, including twice aloud (with voices) as bedtime stories several years back, I am not enough of a "purist" to be bothered by the inevitable truncation and emendation necessary to bring the tale to the screen, but rather am grateful that someone finally did so at all.

Return of the King exceeded my hopes--apart from being too short--it is excellently conceived and executed, breathtaking, heartbreaking, terrifying and beautiful.

Last edited by Paul_S; Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:01 AM.

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Paul S
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