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Re: George W. Bush and the UMC #1576
Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:28 PM
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It is a glorious day when our leaders would even listen to them!<br><br>All by God's amazing grace!!

Re: George W. Bush and the UMC #1577
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Amen indeed!!! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/cheers.gif" alt="cheers" title="cheers[/img]

Re: George W. Bush and the UMC [Re: John_C] #1578
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One thing is obvious to me is that his daughters do not appear to be trained in the faith. His family appears to look askance whenever he mentions his Christian beliefs.<br><br>Just because they hate the faith does not mean they were not trained in the faith. Judas was trained and hated it.<br>We, as fathers (and mothers), cannot force our children to believe. If we could, then faith would be a work. <br><br>Steve C


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Re: George W. Bush and the UMC [Re: li0scc0] #1579
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I think it goes back to, in some way, him being more liberal in his Christianity. SInce he probably doesn't hold to a more Reformed system f beliefs, he is not relying on the sovereignty of God and instead is just hoping his children make the right choice. I can't judge though. Maybe he does hold to a Calvinistic theology and is a hyper-Calvinist and is over-relying on the sovereignty of God to save his children.

Re: George W. Bush and the UMC #1580
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From what I have read about his views, and his alliances with Romanists, I would doubt he is a Calvinist smile


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Re: George W. Bush and the UMC #1581
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If I remember correctly, George W. was converted on or about his 40th birthday. I think it is not unusual for those who are converted as adults to have such issues in the family. Frankly, I am uncomfortable with the tenor of this conversation, speaking so specifically with respect to an individual, especially one so public.<br>


Trust the past to God's mercy, the present to God's love and the future to God's providence." - St. Augustine
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Re: George W. Bush and the UMC [Re: gotribe] #1582
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I would agree with you. And without accusing anyone, if he is a brother in Christ, then remember who the accuser of the brethren is. It is only God's sweet grace that keeps me out of error.

Re: George W. Bush and the UMC #1583
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I have to agree too. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/dizzy.gif" alt="dizzy" title="dizzy[/img]

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