The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum About the SBC

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In the SBC, my being a Southern Baptist, it just depends on what church you go to. Although I think to some extent it is ok to label a majority of SB's that way and that it is a predominant view. I do also know, though, that there are a lot of people who hold to Biblical theology stepping up and saying what truth is in hopes of maybe God through them enacting some change.

As a former SB, and the son of die-hard SB parents, I agree that there are some people stepping up and proclaiming the truth of the Gospel, and I am extremely excited about that! The SBC is getting to the point, in the next decade or two, where there will be another split, in my opinion. One of two things will happen 1) The Founders will be successful in reviving the truth in the SBC, and those that are upset about it will leave, or 2) the Founders will meet with enough opposition that they have no choice but to leave and set up another denomination. The SBC is allowing so much, due to the vague wording of even the latest update of the Baptist Faith and Message, that it is not giong to be able to stand as is. A church that can affirm both the Calvinistic and Semi-Pelagian views is definitely a church divided. That will be a sad day, and yet God will still get the glory. I encourage you K2P, to press on! And I pray for the people that hear a false Gospel, knowing that God uses whom He wills to draw men to Himself. <br>troy

<blockquote>[color:blue]One of two things will happen 1) The Founders will be successful in reviving the truth in the SBC, and those that are upset about it will leave, or 2) the Founders will meet with enough opposition that they have no choice but to leave and set up another denomination. The SBC is allowing so much, due to the vague wording of even the latest update of the Baptist Faith and Message, that it is not giong to be able to stand as is. A church that can affirm both the Calvinistic and Semi-Pelagian views is definitely a church divided.</font color=blue></blockquote><br><br>[color:purple]I totally agree with what you say. And those are the same things that have gone through my mind so many times. And it's sad too that most SB's don't even know that the Southern Baptists were founded on a Calvinistic theology. (Correct me if I am wrong there). I am praying hard though cuz I know any kind of split right now won't be "good" in man's eyes for the Church as a whole.</font color=purple>

Are those in the Founders movement mostly in smaller churches? The reason why I asked is what do you think of the many SB churches with over a 1,000 members whose leadership are mostly conservative (don't know where they fall on this issue), but the pew sitters can be all over the map with their theololgical ideas and leanings. Will they make #2 option the one taken?

It's hard to say. From what I can tell, I think a lot will be tried to keep things held together as best they can, but, like GE, I tend to see a split as almost inevitable. As for the strong founders being in smaller churches...I have no idea.

You may desire to check out The Center for Church Reform. There are several large SBC churches that are Reformed and many growing.<br><br>Mark Dever has a large church Capitol Hill Baptist Church and there are several others listed in the Founders-Friendly Churches<br>

Sweet action!!! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/nuts.gif" alt="nuts" title="nuts[/img]

I believe that the Founders are going to hold on until they are forced to leave. the problem with the congregational church system, especially within such vague standards, is that each church's theology is based on what is preached from the pulpit every sunday. I have heard, from the same pulpit, (not necessarily the same preacher) messages on why tobacco is evil, God taking care of His people, predictions on when Christ will come back, and what to do in case of rapture and we are still here! Until there is a rewriting of the Baptist Faith and Message that uses specific language that does not leave anything to interpretation, the Founders will have to build their congregations into a sub-division of the church (a presbetery, if you will [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink[/img]). If there is to be Reformation, that sub-division will have to grow into a majority within the denomination, since everything is done by majority vote, even on the top level. There is no telling what will hapen, but, by God's grace, He will prosper His own Word. It's exciting to see the potential! Whether another denomination will develop or not, I am glad to see people taking a stand for Biblical truth, and that, my friends, is how every revival has begun. I pray with linda and the others for a revival sometime in my lifetime, and I hope to take part in it, by God's grace, one way or another.<br>troy

I do know that Reformed theology is having an impact at several of the major SBC seminaries. Southern, in my hometown of Louisville, KY, is one of them. I am thankful for that! I grew up in the Presbyterian Church (USA) and just joined the SBC in 2000. I have always been Baptist in theology, and I always have been Calvinistic as well. It's been in the past few months that I really have been digging deeper into Reformed thought. I want to be a woman of the Word!<br><br>On a similar topic, anyone else in here tired of some of the "evangelism" happening today that seems so man-centered? I take confort in the fact that it is God who ultimately saves people and yet God chooses to use His children as witnesses of and for His glory. It really isn't about what man wants but about Whom he needs.

I was SBC for "many" years as a member, pastor, evangelist, and a attender of the Founder's conferences and now I am Presbyterian having embraced IMHO a more biblical view of baptism. The evangelism methods of most (many denominations) today are man-centered. The SBC has many programs aimed specially at this. But this is no wonder as the teaching of salvation and the whole of the Gospel itself is also "mostly" Arminianism and thus one necessarily compliments the other.

It is a great relief to see many in the SBC steer more towards Calvinism, since that is the truth of the Gospel and the actual roots of the SBC. I am yet unsure of the impact that Calvinism will have on the SBC because of its system of government it has in place--but God indeed can work wonders. Reformation begins in the heart of an individual, spreads to others in his church, and then revival begins as it spreads to many other individuals in several other churches. God indeed is sovereign in all. It is good to see that they have one more member set on fire of the true Gospel.

Praise the Lord for more truth-preachin' Southern Baptists!!! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/cheers.gif" alt="cheers" title="cheers[/img]

Hey, remember this old thread? I'd been wanting to correct my very first post for awhile. I have not always been Calvinistic. I've realized that yes, at one point I was an Arminian.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> Weren't we all Marie weren't we all.

Pete

Yeah,

It reminds me of a quote I read once that said we are all born Arminians. Did I see it on this board?

UPDATE: It was AFL77 (Aaron) who said it:

https://www.the-highway.com/forum/showthr...prev=#Post25571

Does anyone know what happened with Aaron? I know a lot was happening in his life right before he left.

I don't know what happened to him. I wrote him an email from his user profile about a month ago to see if he was doing any better, but he never wrote back. Maybe his email address changed?