The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum Feminism

Brad Hammond posted the topic and poll "Which Heresy is the Most Dangerous". This topic is similar but includes our secular world. Of course, all heresies work their way into our lives and culture in dangerous ways but I need to throw in the heresy that I believe to be a philosophical nightmare and most wicked deception yet devised by men on this planet.

It is estimated that the Communist agenda has directly or indirectly resulted in the deaths of about 125 million persons. Hitler and the Nazis caused the death of about 40 million.

Both of these philosophical systems from hell, however, do not hold a candle to the undeniable evil that is the end fruit of the feminists whine and vine. I have based my belief about the feminist evil by simply counting the dead bodies of children. These numbers do not include the cultural disaster brought on by Feminism as regards to divorce, disfunctional families, illegitimacy and discord between the sexes.

In this country alone, since Roe vs Wade, some 50 to 60 million unborn (sometimes half-born) infants have been murdered. This is at about the rate of 4000 per day. In one month alone, this slaughter exceeds the total American deaths in WWI. (Consider the rage of most Americans about the 3000 Twin Towers victims) Worldwide, and since WWII, the number is probably near ONE BILLION.

All of this because the feminists have decided that a career and their hope for a Mercedes Benz is worth their sacrifice to Moloch's fire.

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

I agree with you that feminism is a great evil.
I will say however, that I believe feminism is a product of male chauvinism (although not completely).
Through out history, women have been treated like inferiors.
In Canada women were not even considered persons in the eyes of the law until around 1949 (not sure on that date). Not sure if this is the case in the US.
Men and women were created equal, but with different roles to play in the home and the Church. These roles don’t in any way make women any less than man, but to some men it is evident that they believe they are better.
Of course the consequences of men and women not fulfilling their roles as God intended and treating each other with respect has been devastating, as you rightly pointed out.

Tom

I'm with Tom here and I'll go a step or two further:

Macho American men treating their wives as baby machines who cook supper, do the wash and tend to any other of his needs as he sees fit ARE to blame. Not only has it led to the horror of abortion--which I had never considered but agree with as well, it has led to the insidious practice of women in the pulpit.

Now lets not have anyone twist off here, please, because there are places for everyone to minister in the church. But the idea that everyone is the same, male or female and exactly the same has continued to blur the boundries God has set for each gender. Whats worse, kids are soaked in this day by day from the media and it school--even in the church. Finally this blurring has led another horrifying step down the wide road. If women are just as good as men, even preaching the gospel in the pulpit, why does sexual orientation have anything to do with it at all? A continued rationalization has led certain churches to embrace the heresy of homosexual ministers.

Homosexuality seems to be a hotbutton issue these days, but I think all this is interconnected.

Tom,

Are you saying that there is no such thing as female chauvinism? The tools used by women in their "war" may not be as obvious as those of men but are every bit as brutal.

chauvinism: "unreasoning devotion to ones race, sex etc., with contempt for other races or the opposite sex, etc."

The topic is feminism and its current aftermath, not the sometimes brutal treatment of women by men currently and in the past. That is another subject for another thread.

Nearly all of the founders and proponents of modern Feminism are FEMALE. I believe we should not let them off the hook by giving justification and approval for their evil. Does the Holy Scripture not say "Be ye angry but sin not"?

Being equal means being equal under the law as the American constitution defines it. It is not being equal under the law when women are treated differently than men for the same crime. Feminist women (and men) are murdering their own children because of territory, convenience and fear of economic sanction. Please tell me a single difference between this and the drugged gang member who murders others for the very same reasons. The only difference I see is the degree of innocence of the victim.

We are not going to get at the root of this "devastation" by not putting blame for uncompromised evil where it rightfully belongs or excusing murderous sin.

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

doulos,

Macho American men are the cause of abortion because they believe it is appropriate that their wives should cook supper sometimes??

Do you not know that the majority of abortions are by unmarried women due to fornication, and these being women who don't even know how to cook?

I'm sorry doulos, but I simply cannot follow your logic here.

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Is it a product of or is it an excuse for feminism? IMO these is a immense difference here. While there are many excuses for Feminism, in reality Feminism exists as a religion apart from Scripture because of mankind's total depravity. Feminism has lead many astray into search for "the Divine femininity" or the female Christ. They ask such questions as "How can the Son of God be a Saviour and representative of God's sons and daughters--He is only a male? How does Jesus "maleness" relate to the other half of humankind?" Rita Nashima Brock in The Feminist Redemption of God states, "The doctrine that only a perfect male form can incarnate God fully and be salvific makes our individual lives in female bodies a prison against God and denies our actual, sensual, changing selves as the locus of divine activity." This blasphemy is from the depths of depravity and not a mere male chauvinism! Male chauvinism is horrible, yes, but depravity is much worse (Gen 3), as it too is a result of man;s depravity.

Though I sympathize with what women have endured (and they have endured much and the Gospels are full of ministry in this area) the rise of feminism is evil, divisive, and manipulative. It is the product of our depravity and nothing less. Feminism, as other occults, exist because many have refused to submit to the authority of Scripture. If they merely understood the tenants of Federal headship in Adam and Christ (Rom 5:12-21) their questions would not even be raised. Of course, salvation is a prerequisite, thus ...

doulos

I think I should have stated what I did a little differently.
I believe both male chauvinism and feminism are both products of depravity. Although I believe male chauvinism feeds feminism, it never the less is the depravity of the person which creates sin.
Take for instance, if I see a 10 year old boy beat up my 6 year old girl, but I react by punching the 10 year old boy. Was my reaction justified? Of course not!
In the same way, when a male chauvinist is showing his depravity to a female, she is not justified by reacting in a sinful manner.

So with that in mind, what I was trying to say is that one particular sin (in the case male chauvinism) is displayed, many women and men, react in a sinful manner, thus displaying their own depravity.
The sin of male chauvinism should not be looked on as an excuse for reacting back in a sinful manner. But at the same time, even the best of us at times react in a sinful manner when we are being wronged.
This is true of Christians; it is even truer with non-Christians.

Tom

Adopted

Although I believe doulos is overreacting. I think (correct me if I am wrong doulas), his point was not that there isn't other causes for things like abortion, but macho men of that description have led to the sin of abortion.
It is not a question of which is the greatest cause of sinful reaction.
Sin can beget a sinful reaction, though a sinful reaction is not justified. As Scripture says "Be angry and sin not:.." Eph. 4:26

Tom

Joe

I am in 100% agreement with you and I am afraid I didn't communicate that very well.
Please see my reply to doulas.

Tom

Adopted

As I said to Joe, please see my reply to doulas.

Tom

Feminism is caused for the same reason that Eve took a bit of that fruit from the tree.

J Edwards
Again you have dazzled me by dividing the issue rightly. And while I was reading through that post Genesis 3:16 was going though my head "To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”(NIV) Of course Women have had suffering. Why do you suppose that is?


Adopted

No. What I am saying is that men who DEMAND that supper be cooked each night come hell or high water and think that all women should keep house like June Cleaver or Harriet from that other TV show, look like Barbie dolls all the time and tend to their every whim as if they were a genie from a bottle are mostly to blame for women being interested in feminism. This plus the centuries of near-slavery and being treated like property that spawned the sufferage movement, etc. You obviously know the history--think about it.

I think it is an abomination for women to flatly dismiss about 50% of the population (men) as unnecessary evils. But you can't really blame them for thinking that way. Not that it isn't wrong, not that its not a sin but "The Bible says..." only goes so far when your husband isn't holding up his end of the bargain. Works both ways, I'm sure, but more often than not its the man, for example, that doesn't care whether or not the house looks like a war zone then says something like, "Honey, what can I do to help you get this place cleaned up? As if two or more people don't live there.

Moving right along...yes, I agree with you on the abortion thing. Its the most vile, selfish, unspeakable sort of evil to invade the womb and kill an unwanted child because its inconvenient. Those who are pro-choice should move the choice back a bit to whether or not she--or he for that matter--chooses to have sex. Take two asprin and hold them between your knees and you'll be just fine.

Tom I probably was overreacting. What folks are throwing away is almost as horrifying as what they're keeping.

This is THE fundamental reason for this so-called "feminism" that is being discussed here in all its forms. It was Eve who first sinned; not Adam, although the ruin of the human race was effected by Adam's sin, he being the Federal Head of the human race. It was Eve's rejection of her husband's authority and ultimately transgressing the commandment of God given to her by Adam to not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It was Eve's desire for autonomy that resulted in her disobedience and eventual persuading of Adam to sin with her.

This desire for autonomy, which is at the very root of "feminism", was exacerbated by God Himself as part of the punishment for it.

Genesis 3:16b (ASV) ". . . and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Eve sought independence from her "head", yet the punishment put on her and all women was that she would have an increased desire for him (man) than that which was originally designed. Thus, that which she sought; independence, resulted in a further dependence which often leads to increased sin. We see this behaviour in many women's efforts to dress and act in such a way in order to get men to notice and even desire them. Ironically, this type of behaviour results in that which the feminists seek to avoid. The second part of the punishment exacts the very opposite which Eve initially did; i.e., she sought to control Adam by becoming independent and even leading him into temptation. (cf. 2Tim 2:14). But now, the man is going to "rule" over her. He is going to "control" her; the one she sought to control. And due to the depravity of the soul, men have taken this rule to extremes and treated women with disdain and harshness, furthering the punishment given, albeit in a sinful manner.

Thus, feminism is nothing more than the exploitation of men; women seeking to emulate the sin of Eve by dominating men and leading them into all manner of temptation. Men are not to blame for the "femi-Nazi" movement. Women have no one but themselves to blame for the woes that beset them. But in Christ, this basic sinful behaviour can be overcome, D.v. and a woman can live in relative harmony with a man, being submissive to the one whom God has created as her head. The biblical teaching is that women are to be "functionally subordinate". Men and women are created equal in many ways, but the roles for which they were created demand that men are to be the head and are thus responsible for many things, which today's women take for themselves.

In His Grace,

This brings up an interesting question. Does that mean that sin entered the world before Adam sinned? And, also, did Eve fall in Adam, or did the imputation of Adam's sin only start with thier children? Then again, Adam was Eve's federal head anyway.

I imagine feminists would complain because Eve was the first to sin and yet Adam gets most of the recognition. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/giggle.gif" alt="" />

Sin entered the world when Satan tried to usurp God's sovereign authority. But as to humans, yes, Eve was the first to sin. But her transgression did not have any direct effect on anyone but herself, in that she was not the Federal Head; Adam was and it was through him that the entire race was thrust into ruin.

Eve fell on her own, yet she also shared in Original Sin, which was God's punishment for Adam's transgression. I certainly am not going to be dogmatic about the relationship you are asking about. But one thing I am certain of, Eve was guilty of sin and suffered the loss of original righteousness (depravity) no differently than any other human being.

In His Grace,

bygraceiamsaved,

This is exactly the point I am trying to get make.

Although modern day Feminism is the ugliest variety yet conceived (no pun intended) it is really nothing new. I am ashamed of some of my Christian sisters and brothers who, after listening to the last 40 years of feminist propaganda, have fallen without the slightest regard for Scripture, for their doctrine of demons.

Feminism is indeed nothing new, just ask Samson who married the unbelieving Philistine woman, Delilah.

"And it came to pass when she pestered him daily with her words and pressed him so that his soul was vexed to death. Then she lulled him to sleep on her knees and called for a man and had him shave the seven locks of his head. Then she began to torment him, and his strength left him. (Judges 16:16,19)

Or ask Job, whose wife was not much better:

"Then said his wife unto him, 'Do you still retain your integrity? Curse God and die'". (Job 2:9)

I believe that Solomon nailed the spirit of feminism with the following words from Proverbs 6:16-19.

"There are six things that the Lord hates, Yes seven which are a abomination to Him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, a false witness that utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

I'm going to have to stick up for Ms. Job here as she had lost just as much as her husband at the point of her comment "Curse God and die." I don't know too many girls now days that'd stick around through all that.

I don't believe I've ever heard it called a cult before...feminism I mean. In light of what I've read here it seems that it must be.

OK that got a much needed belly laugh. Thanks.

Gen 3:6,7 (NIV)

6When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Looks to me like Adam was standing right there with her while the snake was talking to her. I get the impression that Adam's sin--the first one--wasn't eating the fruit it was NOT whacking the Serpent with a stick. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" />

I never really thought about the idea that feminism was the exploitation of men. It puts a whole new spin on it Pilgrim.

Well said Pilgrim and I agree 100%.

I was a teenager in the mid seventies and in my twenties in the mid eighties when Gloria Steinem and women's liberation were at its height. They said we could have it all and didn't need a man, not even to raise our children.

Well thirty years later and in Oklahoma the divorce rate is the highest in the nation, we also lead the country in the highest unwed mothers and I could go on......funny how even Gloria Steinam is married now and a lot more mellowed out. She seems to not be spouting the rehtoric that she was before...why do you think that is? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/idea.gif" alt="" />

Gloria Steinam does not need to be "mellowed out", she needs to repent and publicly recant. This reminds me of a line from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar:

"The evil that men do oft lives after them"

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Perhaps you should put her on your prayer list and see what happens. I have rarely seen anyone repent after a good railing, browbeating or diatribe. However, I have seen many repent in the face of silent prayer from the church.

Odd how the perspective when looking up at someone while on your knees is different from when your looking down your nose at them.

Yes ma'am and if there ever was a place where you could see the effects of high divorce its Oklahoma. And this being "The Buckle of the Bible Belt". Its just insane.

I can't even count the number of kids I've known or talked to who've had one or more parents missing from their lives. A number of them in prison or dead but most divorced--and just not taking time to be involved.

Doulos,

Well said, however it is not me looking "down my nose" but Ms. Steinam looking down her nose at half of mankind and the Word of God.

I have a sister who has rejected her own fathers name, calls herself a witch and campaigns for "Pro Choice". Take a guess who her favorite author is? And guess again who it is, that is in my prayers?

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Please note that I am in no way sticking up for anything that Ms. Steinam(sp?) has done, said, or written. Frankly, I'm not that familiar with her history other than hearsay and that she was fond of burning bras in the 60's.

The reason I posted what I did in the tone that I did is because you seem to be a little bitter. Perhaps a lot. Perhaps not without reason. But you're justifying your posts in the same way you were ranting about others doing up-thread, I.e., giving feminists any reason for what they do. I've known lots of folks who are gay or lesbian or feminists--pick an extreme--and most of them were ostracized by some one who was close to them for their beliefs. I am a Christian and my mother barely speaks to me because of it. About all I can do is try to lovingly explain to her again (and again, ad nauseaum) why. Should I go beat the crap out of the preachers that have hurt her in the past? 'Course not.

In short I am deeply sorry to hear about your sister but rarely is there a story of pain with one side. I knew a gay man whose father--a minister--had completely turned his back on him. There were no open doors. There was no hope for reconciliation. He had simply ceased to exist. Whose fault? Who knows, but his Dad was not without guilt.

I'm not saying I expect you to take Ms. Steinam aside and graciously share the gospel with her, but something motivates women to join this sort of movement. Is it their degenerate nature? Probably as its the source of all the trouble we seem to make up for ourselves. What about all the good churchwomen that subscribe to the same notions or variations of the theme? Is their stance on Womens rights and their NOW membership going to send them to hell? These are not questions I can answer.

That said, yeah ol' Gloria probably could benefit from getting dragged outside the city gate and enjoying a good stoning but thats illegal and prayer works better anyway.

doulos,

The above statements piqued my interest, obviously enough to respond to them. I'm curious how you think Christians should act toward those who are living in gross sin and/or espousing views which are diametrically opposed to biblical Christianity. What comes to mind is Paul's injunctions:

Romans 16:17-18 (ASV) "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye learned: and turn away from them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and fair speech they beguile the hearts of the innocent."

2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 (ASV) "And if any man obeyeth not our word by this epistle, note that man, that ye have no company with him, to the end that he may be ashamed. And [yet] count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

Now, I grant you that these words of Paul could be construed as being limited to that which takes place within the confines of the Church. But I do think they are applicable to those outside the Church as well. In the Thessalonian passage, Paul says that we are to "have no company with him"; company being the Greek word, sunanamignumi, i.e., to associate with.

Would you be so kind to offer your comments on my question(s) and to share your understanding what is mean to not "associate" with such people?

In His Grace,

doulos,

Sinner I am, and sometimes hot tempered. The thread was an attempt to cause Christian people to think deeply about the evil of feminism and its philosophical hold even among some of my brothers and sisters in Christ. It was not meant to bring judgment concerning my prayer life and belief that Feminism should be confronted openly and publicly by faithful Christians for the evil that it is. Have you considered that your "concern" for my "judgmental attitude" is also a judgment on your part?

So, I've said what I believe needs to be said and do not believe I need to continue to defend or justify my thoughts and will let the words of Martin Luther speak for me.

"Cursed be the love and cursed be the unity that takes the Word of God to the stake."

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Denny opened this thread by comparing the dead body counts of feminism to those of Nazism and communism; but, while I agree with his observation that feminism is "a philosophical nightmare" and one of the "most wicked deceptions yet devised by men [sic.]," I do not think we can lay the blame for all of those dead babies at the feet of Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan in the same way that we rightfully can in the case of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, etc. I think Darwinism, naturalism, and materialistic hedonism, much of it male-driven, has had at least as much to do with the number of babies murdered in their mothers' wombs here in North America and around the world as feminism.

There is undoubtedly a great deal of synergy and overlap between these ideologies, and all of them are diametrically opposed to a biblical worldview; but abortion is the bitter fruit of all of these (and more) and not merely feminism alone. Nevertheless, if one wishes to look at primary factors or influences contributing to dysfunctional families, divorce, illegitimacy, and abortion, feminism definitely belongs in the top three or four.

I agree with Pilgrim, President Edwards, and the rest who deny that male chauvinism "causes," is "a product of," or explains the rise of feminism, though I think I can agree with Tom's final formulation that it "feeds feminism," and with Doulos's claim that it is "mostly to blame for women being interested in feminism." While the soil in which feminism grows and flourishes is, as Rev. Edwards rightly observes, the sinful depravity and lusts of the human heart, male chauvinism and misogyny are powerful fertilizers without which it is doubtful that the fields would produce such a bountiful harvest.

While the topic of this thread is feminism and not male chauvinism, we have been focusing on the effects of feminism upon women; but there are many dangerous effects of feminism upon men as well. What most men chiefly desire from their wives is respect, and feminism not only denies this but in the process helps turn out men who are not worthy of respect --- men who have no sense of protective responsibility, sacrificial love, grace or chivalry. Feminism is not the "cause" of this, but it "feeds" men's sinful desire to abandon their God-given roles and responsibilities, which are quite demanding to say the least.

My wife and I lived in an "egalitarian marriage" (the "ideal" of non-radical feminism) for a number of years (this is before we were Christians) and both of us suffered enormous emotional and spiritual pain and damage as a result. We have also had a very hard time recovering and embracing our God-given roles because of so many years imbibing the cultural values of feminism, which are now part of the very air we breathe (at least for my generation). At any rate, if anyone else out there is having similar problems, I highly recommend a book by William Hendricks and Robert Lewis called Rocking the Roles <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/BigThumbUp.gif" alt="" />. While it ain't scholarly, it is very practically oriented and helpful to recovering feminists and those who are just beginning to rediscover God's design for marriage.



Vicit Agnus Noster,

Brad Hammond

Doulos mentioned June Cleaver and Harriet "from that other TV show," but the reaction to those stereotypes has taken us to the opposite extreme: from "Father Knows Best" to father is always the biggest idiot in the house <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/doah.gif" alt="" />, even dumber than the family pet <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/moron.gif" alt="" />. And for the women of course there's the newest hit "Desperate Housewives," where suburban women shop, whine, fornicate, shop, whine, and commit adultery with underage boys --- we've come a long way baby! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" />

Brad

How true, I don't think I could add anything to that.

Tom

Brad,

Thanks for your reply. I think you said it much better than I did. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." Ephesians 5:11

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Brad,

Tom said he couldn't add anything to this, but I surely can.

I would submit a challenge to everyone... !! Mind you, I watch very little TV, but what little I do watch I have been able to observe something which disturbs me to no end. It isn't the programming I'm referring to . . . Rather, it is the commercials.

Here's the challenge... pay close attention to the commercials and focus upon how those commercials portray men. My contention is that they are portrayed as, for example, total slobs, ignorant, stupid, sexist, drunks, party-animals, inept, self-centered, heartless, irresponsible, inordinately submissive, (add your own pejorative here), etc. Granted, it is true that there are some men who could easily fill the shoes of the composite man exemplified in those commercials. But the majority of men are hardly worthy of the image being foisted, no doubt, by the feminist philosophy. The bottom line, IMHO, is that there is a massive effort to portray men as useless and expendable "things" which without a woman would inevitably fall into non-existence.

"No self-made man ever did such a good job that some woman didn't want to make some alterations." -- Kim Hubbard

"Behind every successful man is a surprised mother-in-law."

"The way to fight a woman is with your hat. Grab it and run."

In His Grace,

While I agree wholeheartedly about your observations regarding how men (and women) are portrayed on television and in commercials as well as all the other views you've expressed in this thread re: feminism--it's cause and effects, I have to wonder why you included the quotes at the end of your post. Was it for humor or just a negative observation against women in general? I don't want to have my feathers ruffled if there is no reason. . . <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/giggle.gif" alt="" />

Actually, their inclusion was for both reasons; humour and a negative observation. However, I don't see the quotes as being necessarily being negative against women, but rather an expression of the feminist philosophy in general; e.g., most feminists really believe that behind every successful man is a woman, without which men would be ultimate failures. Unfortunately this type of mentality serves to make matters worse in that they diminish the positive influence and virtues which many women, particularly godly women, have had on men over the centuries. Without doubt, whenever the truth is distorted, rarely does anything good result. (cf. Gen 3:1; et al)

In His Grace,

Agreed. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/BigThumbUp.gif" alt="" />

Well there's no need to sign off just because everyone doesn't agree with you. Man if I quit every discussion where someone disagreed or didn't like what I said I'd be in trouble--I've got three kids so thats just about everything I say! I wasn't trying to pick a fight, just to mention some things that stood out with me. Read through the posts. I agree with most everything you said.

I'd like to apologize, really, if you thought for a moment I was judging you. (Did you catch the part about dragging her outside the city gate?) Heck my mother-in-law is a card carrying, bra burning, feminazi hardliner from the 60's hand fed from the same trough as Gloria and the rest of those gals. I'm married to her daughter, I'm the head of my household and we don't have any problems with the biblical idea of marriage. Which means that my wife and I can talk about anything, make desisions, and we take care of business. No problem. Her mom and I, on the other hand can talk about the weather, the flowers, the trees, occasionally cute things the kids did, and "Please pass the rolls" at supper. If things stray into childrearing, politics, or What Idiots Men Are--God help us! I guess if you've been beat up enough by it and prayed over it for years on end (ten give or take, I'll not specify) its easier to deal with.

And yeah, its pretty easy for me to sit back on my heels and spout "Oh, you should pray for them!" I guess I've been living in the sticks to long.

doulos,

OK, thanks, I am sensitive, possible overly so, to this issue and it did seem that I was being singled out when so many others were saying the same thing. Rest assured that the Luther quote was not about you, who I consider to be a brother, but about those that compromise for the sake of "peace" with the Feminist agenda.

There is no doubt in my mind that the feminists really do "bring strife among the brothers" and the sisters also. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/Banghead.gif" alt="" />

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Started another thread about this since it seems to be a different topic.