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#26966 - Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:24 PM Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ?  
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Dave Sumner aka Puritan said this in the Book Nook forum:

Doug Phillips grew up a Baptist by the way. I'm not saying this because I'm trying to stereotype the Baptist, but I do get a strong feeling that there is almost an over emphasis on "DO'S" and "DONT'S" in the Baptist community.


Is this true? Do baptists actually have more rules than any other Christian denomination? Mr. Sumner I invite you to "come on down!" your the next guest on prove your hypothesis!.

The floor is yours.


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#26967 - Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:53 AM Re: Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ? [Re: Peter]  
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Dave Sumner aka Puritan said this in the Book Nook forum:

Doug Phillips grew up a Baptist by the way. I'm not saying this because I'm trying to stereotype the Baptist, but I do get a strong feeling that there is almost an over emphasis on "DO'S" and "DONT'S" in the Baptist community.


Is this true? Do baptists actually have more rules than any other Christian denomination? Mr. Sumner I invite you to "come on down!" your the next guest on prove your hypothesis!.

The floor is yours.


I grew up in a Southern Baptist church and never attended another denomination until I was about 25. From 25 onward, I've attended a Presbyterian church. I have to say that when I compare the Presbyterian churches that I attended to the Baptist churches I attended, there was definitely more emphasis on "following the rules" in the Baptist churches. I won't make a sweeping statement about denominations, but that is what I have observed from my experience.

Also, I don't think Dave's assertion was really strong enough to qualify as a "hypothesis". I can't tell if you are trying to refer to his post when you say "baptists actually have more rules than any other Christian denomination" or are asking a new question. Dave did not say that "baptists actually have more rules than any other Christian denomination". He said that he thought Baptists may be over emphasizing the rules (DO's and DONT's), which is a different assertion then you are asking him to prove.

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#26968 - Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:39 AM Re: Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ? [Re: Peter]  
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I apologize about my general sweeping statement. I did not mean to offend anyone. If I did I'm sorry. I was just expressing my opinions from what I've witnessed from Baptist authors and laity. But I was wrong to stereotype.

I'm just weary of anything being added to God's Grace. Yes I believe that our sanctification is a co-operation where we try our best to obey God's moral laws and biblical commands. But I also don't think becoming a Quaker is the answer. We need to be in the World and let our light shine even in the darkest places. I also believe that just because something is secular doesn't mean we can't enjoy it. But these are just my thoughts. I'm not really trying to prove anything, I was just sharing.

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Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. - Galatians 2:16
#26969 - Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:18 PM Re: Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ? [Re: Peter]  

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Dave Sumner aka Puritan said this in the Book Nook forum:

Doug Phillips grew up a Baptist by the way. I'm not saying this because I'm trying to stereotype the Baptist, but I do get a strong feeling that there is almost an over emphasis on "DO'S" and "DONT'S" in the Baptist community.


Is this true? Do baptists actually have more rules than any other Christian denomination? Mr. Sumner I invite you to "come on down!" your the next guest on prove your hypothesis!.

The floor is yours.


People want to belive that Baptist's have more Do's and Don'ts.

#26970 - Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:13 PM Re: Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ? [Re: Peter]  
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More than any other? I don't know about that. But they sure do have a lot. Especially some of the more fundamentalist independent ones. I grew up in a Missionary Baptist church and experienced the weight of repression induced guilt the whole of my childhood/teenage years. The doctrines of grace were rarely emphasized. It was all about the check list.


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#26971 - Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:22 AM Re: Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ? [Re: Reformation Monk]  
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I apologize about my general sweeping statement. I did not mean to offend anyone. If I did I'm sorry. I was just expressing my opinions from what I've witnessed from Baptist authors and laity. But I was wrong to stereotype.

I'm just weary of anything being added to God's Grace. Yes I believe that our sanctification is a co-operation where we try our best to obey God's moral laws and biblical commands. But I also don't think becoming a Quaker is the answer. We need to be in the World and let our light shine even in the darkest places. I also believe that just because something is secular doesn't mean we can't enjoy it. But these are just my thoughts. I'm not really trying to prove anything, I was just sharing.

Dave.


To misquote Captain Nathan Battles in "She wore a yellow ribbon" You're not quite "Presbyterian" yet, mister... or you'd know never to apologize... it's a sign of weakness. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

All seriousness aside Dave I've read worse comments about Baptists from JE, and he was serious about it. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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I'd only like to point out a few things. Coming from a varied background with everything from athiests to greek orthodoxy amongst my relatives I've seen a lot of different churches. I've known some strict Wesleyan Methodist Church members that make the Missionary Baptists look like slackers, and there were some AOG that made them look like hedonists and I'm not talking about the Piper style either. In fact I was listening to Alister Begg on the drive home today and he recounted what his father made him do on Sundays A Charge to a Man of God - Part 2A that my Father would have considered to be cruel and unusual punishment, this same man (my Father that is) would drag us out of our comfortable beds in the early hours of a Sunday morning make us clean up and wear ties, filthy nasty things that they are, comb our hair (what we had as a "pig-shave" was the standard haircut)and drag us to church. And he was a member of the ELCA the apostate Lutheran Church {that's for your benefit Speratus where e're you maybe}. So laddy what I'm trying to say in so many words is that the excessive do's and don'ts can be a matter of perspective. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rantoff.gif" alt="" />

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#26972 - Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:25 AM Re: Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ? [Re: john]  
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#26973 - Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:07 AM Re: Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ? [Re: Peter]  
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Since I'm not Baptist I probably should not speak on the issue, but from living in the deep south may give me some insight. Instead of speaking in theological terms about their faith, they tend to speak in terms of their actions. In being fair, that may be a general truth for the bible-belt, not just the Baptists.

One thing I do know, they are organized like the dickens. The other week while visiting a 1st cousin during a hurricane evacuation, I witnessed this firsthand. My cousin teaches a SS in a relative large SBC. When arriving at the church, first he stopped by the kitchen where a man with a list gave him a canaster of coffee with cups for the SS class. My cousin signed out for it and then he picked up a file folder for his class with all church schedules, prayer lists, and who's bringing what for the various events. Any church that I've been apart of would only dream about such organization.

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#26974 - Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:08 AM Re: Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ? [Re: Peter]  

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Being a youth minister in an SBC and having been SB all my life, and attending a GB (General Baptist) college I must say that Baptists do have a LARGE list of do's and don'ts. As a whole, the church I serve in doesn't say silly things from the pulpit, but the individual members can be pretty legalistic.

A funny story about that was this one day at school. The night before, I had had a pounding headache and wasn't where I could get any headache medicine. I was with some people from a church I used to attend at a Buffalo Wild Wings and I ordered a strawberry daiqari. My headache went away by the time I'd finished the drink. Well, I was telling someone in my New Testament class that I'd drank that and such and someone turned around and goes, "It was virgin right?" I said, "No. Why would I do that?" Some other people heard the story and such and I got a lot of dirty looks and I think someone even said I'd killed my witness by drinking that. The only people who gave me dirty looks, though, or made comments were the Baptists of various sorts in the room.

Anyway, I must agree that, from my experience, Baptists seem to have way too many do's and don'ts. I'm not sure about more than any other group, but they do have a WHOLE lot.

#26975 - Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:57 PM Re: Do Baptists have more Dos and Don'ts ? [Re: John_C]  
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Instead of speaking in theological terms about their faith, they tend to speak in terms of their actions. In being fair, that may be a general truth for the bible-belt, not just the Baptists.


Yeah, I'd say that's pretty accurate regarding most Baptists.


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