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Does Hell have fire? #34612
Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:59 PM
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Is there is a literal fire in a place called Hell or is the Bible's langauge concerning fire in Hell is only figurative.

Does Hell have fire?
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Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: William] #34613
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There is no fire, They talk about it that way,to scare the hell out of you.
you know it must be awful with the wrath of GOD on you.
neicey

Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: William] #34614
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I voted no. I expect that the Bible is probably using fire as a "universal" picture of the extreme torment. I should add that those who end up there would be wishing that it was merely fire!


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Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: William] #34615
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The Bible uses very graphic terms like “eternal flames,” “lake of fire,” the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. So why should we doubt that the wicked will burn forever?

Do the flames ever stop in hell?

Many scholars will argue that these terms are merely symbolic to create fear, but are not literal. However, the Bible is using and defining words for a place that is out of the bounds of human comprehension. Thus, using colloquial (everyday language at that time which the people knew and understood) words to which one could relate like lake of fire, eternal damnation, torment, separation, where the worm does not die, weeping and gnashing of teeth, to name a few, were descriptive words. They were symbols to convey the veracity of Hell, a place no one had ever been or seen, with words one could comprehend. In fact, the certainty of the imagery indicates it will be far more severe than mere words or imagination can ever fathom!

The Bible tells us Hell is a real place of darkness and separation with an eternal torment of fire (1 Tim. 1:17; Jude 7-13; Rev. 5:13; 14:11; 19:3; 20:10).


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Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: jfschultz] #34616
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lifschultz said:
I voted no. I expect that the Bible is probably using fire as a "universal" picture of the extreme torment. I should add that those who end up there would be wishing that it was merely fire!

That would be great wouldn't it,sin as much as you like knowing that when the time comes one will be burned up and forgotten about isnt that what Taze Russell and others speak about annihilation, do you think that is going to be like our modern day prison and get out on parole, No I agree with Wes. the body will be changed so that one will feel the pain of burning yet not being consumned.But the lake of fire is as much real as calvry was to our Lord Jesus Christ. these doctrines with many other doctrines are strangers to our pulpet to day.I dont have much education friend but I believe the Word of God from cover to cover,check the scriptures Wes mentioned.
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Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: William] #34617
Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:17 PM
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William said:
Is there is a literal fire in a place called Hell or is the Bible's langauge concerning fire in Hell is only figurative.

I voted, "No" since I believe that the language used in describing Hell are similes or metaphorical and not literal. However, the torment will be no less real than as if one were cast into a raging and eternal fire. Although one can hardly conceive of being burned endlessly by fire, I am of the mind that such a situation pales in comparison to the actual torment that the wicked will have to endure.

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Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: William] #34618
Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:19 PM
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My first thought is no, there are not literal flames in hell. At least for the interim before the resurrection, hell is a place of disembodied torment for the souls of the wicked; does fire burn souls?

Literal flames in hell would be possible for the wicked who are resurrected and cast into it after the final judgement, since I expect they will suffer in both soul and body. However, it seems to me that the fires of hell, and other such illustrations, are primarily word-pictures to relate the terrible horror of God's wrath.

Don't get me wrong; some people will say that the fires only represent a sort of passive "separation" from God, but I believe that God will actively punish the wicked for eternity.

Edited to clear up confusion.

Last edited by CovenantInBlood; Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:30 AM.

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Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: CovenantInBlood] #34619
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I can see that perhaps there may indeed be literal flames in hell for the wicked who are resurrected and cast into it after the final judgement, since I expect they will suffer in both soul and body. Nevertheless, it seems to me that the fires of hell are primarily a word-picture to relate the terrible horror of God's wrath.

Of a truth, the righteous will receive a new body in which their souls shall be joined and thus live forever upon the New Earth. But is there any indication in Scripture that the souls of the wicked will be receive a new body? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratchchin.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: Pilgrim] #34620
Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:22 AM
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Of a truth, the righteous will receive a new body in which their souls shall be joined and thus live forever upon the New Earth. But is there any indication in Scripture that the souls of the wicked will be receive a new body? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratchchin.gif" alt="" />


Glorified bodies I doubt they will receive, but Dan. 12:2 seems to indicate a resurrection of both righteous and wicked:

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Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to digrace and everlasting contempt.


Kyle

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Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: CovenantInBlood] #34621
Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:32 AM
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Glorified bodies I doubt they will receive, but Dan. 12:2 seems to indicate a resurrection of both righteous and wicked:

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Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

Resurrection, yes..... but again I don't recall any mention of the wicked receiving a body. The saints will experience the second resurrection but they don't receive their glorified bodies until after the judgment. And If the wicked don't receive a body, then the premise that the "fire" spoken of in hell is fire as we know it (combustion of matter) would be senseless, for as you wrote, corporeal fire has no effect on ethereal souls. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Does Hell have fire? [Re: Pilgrim] #34622
Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:40 AM
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Resurrection, yes..... but again I don't recall any mention of the wicked receiving a body.


Well, I don't recall that souls reside in the "dust of the earth," but that's certainly where bodies go. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratchchin.gif" alt="" />

I would say "resurrection" is a pretty meaningless term if it doesn't involve the body being raised from the dead.


Kyle

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