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Whatever the errors and deficiencies of holy hip-hop, embracing the abominable heresies of the Word-Faith movement (Copeland, Hagin, Hinn, Meyer, Dollar, Price, Osteen, etc.) is not one of them, or at least the use of holy hip-hop by some artists and ministries should not be confused with their acceptance or espousal of this arch-heresy. Most of the articles I have linked refer to artists like William Branch or Curtis "Voice" Allen who, apart from their use and advocacy of holy hip-hop music, are doctrinally orthodox. In fact, Curtis Allen and another group Christocentric are explicitly Reformed in their theology, and Allen has even performed his " Reformed rap" at John Piper's church in Minneapolis. Remember that the devil's conterfiet always tries to mimic the truth. Word-faith teachers selectively quote, misquote, and distort the Word of God (like you know who) and work lying signs and wonders (like you know who) and have all the external trappings of traditional gospel preachers -- they wear suits (usually very, very flashy ones), they say "Jesus" and "Amen" and "Hallelujah" hundreds of times during a sermon or praise-a-thon, they turn bright red (not Creflo Dollar and Fred Price of course), and they sweats a lot. But the message is pure pagan filth and Satanic deception. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/threaddevil.gif" alt="" /> I am glad to see that this issue is now being addressed on another thread since it has absolutely nothing to do with holy hip-hop. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/nope.gif" alt="" /> Now, after seeing grandma getting funky and a punk rock graemlin, who's going to impress me with a beatboxing or turntablist graemlin? I'll settle for one with a baseball cap and some bling. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bravo.gif" alt="" />
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All that shows is that even professing orthodox individuals can be captured by the wiles of the devil and perform his works before men. Could this be the reason we read so many times in Scripture to flee from the Evil One, the philosophies of this world and put on Christ? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratchchin.gif" alt="" /> I believe the optimum word here is: inconsistency or as Paul referred to Peter's unacceptable hypocrisy: dissimulation. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" /> BradJHammond quipped: Now, after seeing grandma getting funky and a punk rock graemlin, who's going to impress me with a beatboxing or turntablist graemlin? I'll settle for one with a baseball cap and some bling. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bravo.gif" alt="" /> Now, if I knew what "beatboxing" and "turntablist" were, I just might be able to accommodate you. In His grace,
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Pilgrim said:Now, if I knew what "beatboxing" and "turntablist" were, I just might be able to accommodate you. Beatboxing is the vocal percussion of any type of music with a Drum Beat included. It is primarily concerned with the art of reproducing drum sounds using one's voice, mouth, and nasal cavity. It can also involve singing, vocal imitation of turntable scratching, the simulation of horns, strings, other musical instruments and the replication of a vast array of sound effects. The term beatboxing most likely refers to early drum machines which came with pre-programmed musical patterns. BeatboxingTurntablism is the art of manipulating sounds and creating music using phonograph turntables and an audio mixer. The term was created in 1994 by DJ Supreme to describe the difference between a DJ who just plays records, and one who actually performs, by touching and moving the records to manipulate sound. TurntablismWes
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Yo! Dat's straight up boo-yaa!!! Really Wes, I had no idea you knew so much about hip-hop. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" /> Yo! Check dis' out! DJ Ligon "Ice" Duncan and Gradmaster John "Flavo-Flash" Duncan beatboxin: Duncan and Duncan
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Brad, At the present time, the only Smileys I have for your "beatboxing" request are these:
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That's quite an ensemble - playing fast and furiously for the Lord! Looks like you've got your Christian rock band and your Christian jazz trio. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bravo.gif" alt="" />
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And my only and proper response would have to be:
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BradJHammond said: Yo! Dat's straight up boo-yaa!!!
Really Wes, I had no idea you knew so much about hip-hop. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" /> I'm not really into this but I found good descriptions of the terms you used and I am familiar with them. I know enough about it to know that it's not appropriate for worship and praise no matter what words you choose to use. It can make you want to get down and boogie while it makes your skin crawl. Dat's straight up boo-yaa indeed! I think the little smiling face image is what you were looking for. He's turntabling! While the photos of Duncan and Duncan attached to your reply are actually beatboxing. THE PHYSIOLOGY OF BEATBOXINGWes <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bananas.gif" alt="" />
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Pilgrim,
Although I've agreed with everything you've said so far, how can anyone in the world and in there right mind ever hope to out "icon" you? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" />
For crying out loud, you have presented an entire symphony of "Hip-Hop".
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OK, I've just got to add one more thing for everyone's amusement: it's John MacArthur rapping -- that's right -- the Big Mac himself: Dr. Miggidy Mac and his heavenly rap
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Denny, Well, with that accolade I am compelled to further your amazement and appreciation by offering a few more. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />
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And the winners of the holy hip-hop graemlin challenge (so far) are: I came to get down, I came to get down, So get out your seats and jump around! Jump around! Jump around! Jump around! Jump up Jump up and get down! Jump! Jump! Jump! Jump! Jump around! Go Pilgrim! Go Wes! Jump around! Jump around! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bravo.gif" alt="" />
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Hey Brad, you can't have holy hip-hop without a mosh pit can you?
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<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/applause.gif" alt="" /> Ya know Pil, this was once a serious and respectable thread. Who's responsible for turning it into silliness and shenannigans? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/3stooges.gif" alt="" />
Oh, I guess that would be me <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />:
PS Pardon me for noticing <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/noevil.gif" alt="" />, but I think the pants on that hip-hopster in the middle of the mosh pit are maybe a little too loose. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Has anyone here seen the manifestation of Holy Hip Hop Sunday, like at KC Price church? Thousand of young kids getting saved and learning the bible in a Holy Hip hop style, with no lame gospel as such. http://www.streamingfaith.com/directory/broadcaster.aspx?TalentID=4000006&bhcp=1
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