The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum Why people think TBN preacher , another gospel?

But isn't the good news of our gospel is that a person Believes in the death burial , and resurrection which they all do and teach , but maybe in somethings which you claim as false lose some rewards but not their salvation?

Do you see them a down right athiest and they preach againt the cross of Jesus , and that Jesus is not the Son of God like muslims?

Do they preach that they worship satan or a watch tower, or book of mormons as such?

You and I know people are getting saved so they can't be suporting satan or satan would be going against his own kingdom.

Dear Evangelist,

This is not about whether or not people do good things or not. There are many people doing good things who are not even Christians, consider the man humanitarian operations throughout the world, that reach millions of starving, sick and diseased people with food, medicine and the like.

This is about spiritual loss of balance. Whenever an organisation, church or denomination emphasizes a particular aspect of Christianity; ie - Bible only, or Spirit only, etc, etc... and trust me these things do not simply happen because people are good or bad, it is more because we are desperate to try and solve the ache that is in the heart of mankind. So we want to heal them, and in our flesh we draw from things like Jungian Psychotherapy, Mystical Eastern stuff and instead of trusting God's Word and His Spirit, we make ourselves a pretty quilt of our own design...problem is that these type of things have been going on as far back as certain renegade heretics disciples for Peter, Polycarp and others.

I appreciate what you are saying, and we really need to learn to love and in a spirit of meekness restore such a one's but it will take wisdom and prayer. We must not be blinded by the light of peoples good works, so often these only cover a deeper root that, to be perfectly honest with you, THE LORD SEES and THE LORD HEALS, and will bring His Bride to purity and holiness; 'for unless the Lord builds the house, they labour in vain who try to build it, building everything no according to His word.' (Keith Green)

This spirit of meekness, and forgiveness MUST be accompanied by wisdom, discernment and fervency in prayer for ALL saints, and especially those who proclaim the Gospel. It is Paul that tries to stay the judgments by saying that some preach this message for financial gain, and bad motives, but at least the message is going out. This should not set us back in our comfy chairs, but drive us to our knees as St. James, did until his knees were messed up. The call throughout the History of the Church has been a call, not just to missions as these sweet and tender folk are attempting, but a call to prayer and intercession, without which we are prone to slip into the errors made by earlier moves of God.

Your friend,

The thing about our unity is there is a weak unity , because we are divided in many ways , even in our understanding of each other and the Word of God.
There is more division among christians than the sinner world.
We can't find a perfect church no where , and we will alway find something wrong with others, even with our own partners.
There would be more to complain about , than more we find what is right and good.I found this observation as I seen so many divorces, and church slits, and divisions.
There are people who hate being rich , and seeing other rich, and hate when they are sick , but here of people who know how to live in divine health.
The prosperity message to be a blessing is attacked by the poor , and healing atonement is attack by those who say healing is not for today, and etc, or come against healing scriptures because they are still sick and say it is false teaching and those who teach healing are false teachers and even make video's , MP3 , and write ups against what they don't agree with as lies.
Some say it is about a self centered type of spirit , but God knows the real reasons and the motive behind our differences.I know I can't please everyone , neither can TBN and all the rest of the few Christin channel and ministry we have.Some are called to know the truth , and I think some are decieved to not accept the truth, some have a harden heart, and some are free with a meek spirit.
So I though I should post this just to see what I think about the issue about tv Evangelizing .

straw

Shouldn't we use spiritual discernmemnt on what is true or not?

1Jo:2:26: These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jo:2:27: But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

I think our God like spirit in us would tell us the truth and what is the truth so we can't be decieved.

Oh Evangelist,

Of course a true disciple of Jesus Christ will not lose eternal life, but you are right if we persist in heresy we will lose our rewards at the Bema seat of Christ, being saved as by fire. It is for this reason we need to walk worth of the calling, walking what the bible calls, 'circumspectly' with eyes all around. If we lack wisdom as the Holy Spirit speak by James, we should ask the Lord for wisdom.

There are many humble folks who are not that clever, in wanting to be used of God have borrowed from things they read in a book by this one and that one and being what Jesus calls us 'sheep' we are prone to going astry. It is so important for this reason that we are in fellowship with those who walk according to the truth, for many have strayed into their own ways. It is not that they are fallen away but that they are leading astray others by their hardness of heart and unwillingness to abide in Christ. This is a thing that I know we cannot make one stay in the first love, but it is something that certainly comes upon the Body of Christ as Jesus has revealed to us in Revelation (read the letters to the churches Rev 1-3)

Of course, Robin does not mean they are Atheists or Mormons, it is just that these sheep of the Lord are mixed in with weeds and the Lord of the Harvest, would have us to pray for the one's who are His, that they might be protected and to warn them of the danger of going over into heresy. You see what happens if members of the Body do go over into a SUPER SPIRITUAL thing, we have learned by Church History that it brings terrible shame on the name of God. We know that He defends His name, and will make a swift end, He is coming soon. Amen? We need to be salt and light. Often as James says, the things coming out of our mouths from our hearts are far from that. We do not want peeps to picking briars and thorns off the body, BUT THIS HAPPENS..because we are being perfected, the dross like in gold is being refined by the Lord, and the ministries He has set in the BODY. His body. It is never right for us to point at the toe and curse it because it is not functioning properly, or chop it off...we need the big toe, or else the body will fall over. Spiritually speaking we cut off evil in our lives and this is what happens when fine Christians with noble intentions to reform the planet, green the earth, do the whole humanitarian bit, drag many into...places where we aught not to be. Our first call is to proclaim the Gospel in Spirit and Truth. Problem when peeps just do it in SPIRIT....and leave Truth to grow whatever....Problem also when peeps...just do it in Truth...I mean they just do the head stuff...knowledge is good but it is useless if there is no heart, and I guess that is why we need each other SO MUCH...these folks at TBN are ALL HEART...that is not good, you know what happens in a marriage if the one partner makes ALL THE DECISIONS...sort of a dictatorship..well that ship is bound to SINK to the bottom and divide, and that is what happens when believers who are well intentioned ROAR of in one direction, hanging onto the tail, or the nose or the ear of the Elephant, not that Jesus is an elephant, but it is just that there is so much about Him that we can get off at a tangent, going our own little way...and then the body divides and the world sits up and questions us...is this how God is ? It is so important to try to hold off judgment and I think that Robin understands this for he is helping poeple who are coming out of breakaway groups, like those in CHARISMANIA LAND...see believers like to make their own park to play in, and it happens when they say...BIBLE ONLY, or SPIRIT ONLY..or FAITH only, or HOPE only, or LOVE only...so no matter how much I dislike this word in our current times, we as believers need to learn TOLERANCE with one another and pray and trust God to heal these terrible tears that are happening. It is something so frightening that I understand perfectly how you are feeling, BUT you need to chill and just get on with what the Lord has given you to do.

You have to remember that those who come to Christ under ministries that are unstable will not always be weak, and bring shame to His name but the fall of rate in such situations is alarming. I suggest you read some books on the Evangelical ministries of Dwight L. Moody and Charles Finney. I get a sense of despair many times when I look at where we are going as a body in this world, and then I remember what Jesus said to the disciples when they asked, "but how will anyone be saved."....and Jesus said, "With GOD NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE" ...k.

Your brother,

Dear brother,

This is a VERY good point. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would guide us into ALL TRUTH. To sad when we do not allow the Holy Spirit to be as intimately involved in our lives as He was in the EARLY CHURCH. We are prone to stray, but we can have this confidence that the deposit, this seal of His Spirit in us, will IN THE END, make us a beautiful BRIDE for our KING of KINGS, and LORD of LORDS; JESUS CHRIST the LORD.

NB: Just a point! The Scriptures point us to Christ, and Christ points us to the Scriptures. The danger is when we attempt to read the Scriptures by a system and do not let Him lead us and guide us, and comfort and teach and correct and instruct us from these Scriptures. Not only does He do this, but He has set ministries in the body...like evangelists...and they need teachers....and so the body needs each part...other wise slits...I mean splits... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/BigThumbUp.gif" alt="" />

And one last thing... The Holy Spirit also can minister to us through books and music and well, I guess He can even use a donkey, if we are filled with our own madness...am I a donkey...Hey Benny...I hope you are listening...(you have to remember that when things are not done 'in order' and certain rogue elements get in, you know what I mean, then it's time to call in the heavy artillery...REMEMBER..JUDGMENT MUST BEGIN WITH THE HOUSE OF GOD...it is SCARY, but God is raising up His people as a HOLY NATION, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, that we might show forth HIS PURITY AND HOLINESS to the world. So sometimes a REBUKE will come and pray that above the noise and shouting they are listening to the voice of GOD, through HIS servants. Pray. What does worry me is if those who are BIBLE ONLY, or SPIRIT only are not listening...if GOD himself will visit them ? We so need to help one another on this road, to many pointing fingers at the other...BIBLE ONLY help SPIRIT only and we might have a united front against the ADVERSITY who is messing with this world big time...WAR! ... repentance, armour, prayer ... then all together COME LORD JESUS!

Salute,

Straw,

Let's take a look at that allusion you have made and see if it REALLY says what you evidently think it does, i.e., condone another gospel or a lopsided gospel, which is invariably the same as another gospel. The question is, Do the teachings of those associated with TBN, in particular, conform to biblical truth? or are they false?

Philippians 1:15-18 (ASV) "Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: the one [do it] of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel; but the other proclaim Christ of faction, not sincerely, thinking to raise up affliction for me in my bonds. What then? only that in every way, whether in pretence or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and therein I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice."

As one can easily discern, Paul is speaking about motives and not the message itself. Indeed he would never condone a dumbing down, truncating of or a different gospel of Christ else he would be guilty of contradiction, which of course would be an indictment against God the Spirit Who inspired what he wrote. (cf. Gal 1:6-9; 2Cor 11:4)

As I and nearly everyone else who is participating in this thread, except yourself and Evangelist, has tried to communicate in the most simple way(s), the issue isn't what appears on the outside in regard to these people, nor what appearances of "good" they might be said to have done, but rather it is a matter of God's TRUTH that is the issue. Do these people teach the TRUTH about God, Christ, sin, salvation, faith, repentance, etc....??? There can be no denying that what they are teaching is antithetical to the Scriptures and to that which has been held by the historic Christian Church, within which the Spirit of God dwells and has appointed as the "pillar of the truth". (1Tim 3:15)

Romans 16:17-18 (ASV) "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye learned: and turn away from them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and fair speech they beguile the hearts of the innocent."

In His grace,

Straw said:

Are you really sure you want to recommend something by Charles Finny?
Are you not aware that he teaches Pelagianism?
Don’t get me wrong, Finny had an uncanny way of getting results, but what he taught certainly was not biblical.
Perhaps a better recommendation would be CH Spurgeon, or someone like Jonathon Edwards.
A lot has been written comparing what Finny taught against what the Scripture teaches. If I had time, I would post at least one or two articles, but right now I don’t.
Let’s just say that what Pelagius taught was against what Augustine taught.
But then again, seeing as how much you claim to read, I would be surprised if you didn’t already know that.


Perhaps someone else has an appropriate article on this.

Tom

Here ya go Tom (thanks to the Google search on The Highway's main page). <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

- Charles G. Finney: How Theology Affects Understanding of Revival, by Ian Murray

- Charles Finney and the Disappearance of Revival, by Clive Taylor

- Charles Finney's Doctrine of Justification, by David Linden

- Church-O-Rama or Corporate Worship, by Monte Wilson

- The Pelagian Captivity of the Church, by R.C. Sproul

Okay... there are more but those should do nicely for a starting place. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

In His grace,

What are all the good things TBN has done for these 300 million people they supposedly reach? Lied to them about the nature of God? Wrested the Scriptures to their own condemnation? Proclaimed the false gospel of promised health and prosperity? Displayed their materialistic vanity for all to see? Lot of "good" TBN has done, indeed!

I think this is your personal opinion , but we all have a turn off button on our tv , or just turn to the world channels at will.

Well, it certainly seems apparent that you do not hold to any form of "propositional" (objective) truth since no matter what any one says which is contrary to what you "feel", it is wrong. There is only one God, one Jesus Christ, one Holy Spirit, one way unto salvation and much more which the Bible teaches. You and your TBN false teachers hold to doctrines which are in opposition to what most everyone here, those doctrines held as truth by the historic Christian Church and more importantly, that which Scripture clearly teaches. Both can't be right. The consequences of believing false teaching is immeasurable.

Galatians 1:6-9 (ASV) "I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; which is not another [gospel] only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema. As we have said before, so say I now again, if any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema [cursed/damned]."

2 Corinthians 11:3-5 (ASV) "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve in his craftiness, your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity and the purity that is toward Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or [if] ye receive a different spirit, which ye did not receive, or a different gospel, which ye did not accept, ye do well to bear with [him]. For I reckon that I am not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles."

Matthew 7:21-23 (ASV) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew [loved] you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

In His grace,

Hmmm- I need time to sift through all the articles- but his Justification article is quite...alarming


To me- saying that Justification is something that can be lost and needs to be regained is contrary to the teachings of the Bible. The Bible never suggests (at least- no passage I've ever heard of) that if we are not 100% obedient- we lose our justification. Indeed- being 100% obedient is practically impossible unless you are sinless- something we all know is impossible except for Him. We can never hope to become "spotless" without His sacrifice and intervention- Justification isn't something that's earned- it's something that is freely given if we accept His sacrifice and believe in Him. This view, IMO, is work-based faith and is something to be discouraged. You can not put yourself into the equation in substitute for Jesus Christ (that's how I felt he was meaning- could me a misinterpretation on my part).

To me- this view on Justification goes against most of the teachings of the NT- it is Him who allows us to be saved- we can not make ourselves pure.

No, it is not "my personal opinion." It is the God-honest TRUTH. Your idea that TBN has done a lot of good, and that many are being saved through their "ministry," is a falsehood and a delusion. The satanic lies of TBN are leading thousands straight to the pit, and those loud-mouthed scoundrels will be held accountable before God Almighty for their snake-oil salesmanship.


And I suggest you exercise your ability to turn off TBN post-haste.

There are many references to the Lamb's book of life in the book of Revelation.
17:8 teaches that God had already written this book from the foundation of the world or it could just the Bible’s opinion.


[color:"0000FF"]The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. [/color]





By the way “the book of life” includes only those who are the objects of God's sovereign particular grace and that is not my opinion but the teaching of scripture. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" />


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