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Making a confession of faith #40125
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Is it unBiblical or extra-Biblical to make a confession of faith? Should it be required for (external) church membership?

http://www.creeds.net/reformed/gnvconf.htm

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This might help.

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thanks Will! I look forward to reading that thread!

P.S. Nice Avatar!

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thanks Will! I look forward to reading that thread!

P.S. Nice Avatar!



Ooops,

I see that the thread does not answer your question, sorry.




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no problem, nice props to Rev. G.H. Kersten, how did you get turned on to him?


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No problem, nice props of Rev. G.H. Kersten, how did you get turned on to him?



I learned of him through my wife, Willemina and then Pilgrim. He's good but Brackel and Calvin are my favorites.

For the benefit of others his 2 volume "Reformed Dogmatics" can be purchased for around $20.
"Reformed Dogmatics" is also online which I think you posted once.

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Is it unBiblical or extra-Biblical to make a confession of faith? Should it be required for (external) church membership?

Neither! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" /> It is biblical to make a confession of faith.

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Romans 10:8-10 (ASV) "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach: because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Yes, it should be required for church membership.

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Acts 2:41-47 (ASV) "They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added [unto them] in that day about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' teaching and fellowship, in the breaking of bread and the prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; and they sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all, according as any man had need. And day by day, continuing stedfastly with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread at home, they took their food with gladness and singleness of heart, praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to them day by day those that were saved."

What is not clear, at least to me, is why you included a link to the Confession of Geneva. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> IF you are asking if one should be required to embrace a confession of faith vs. make a valid personal profession of faith, then this becomes an issue of practicality, i.e., why would someone desire to unite with a local assembly of believers who hold to and teach things which are contrary to what they believe doctrinally? And what local assembly would allow someone to become a member of that body who held to fundamental differences in doctrine? It would open the door to schism. I was a member of a Reformed church that received several Reformed Baptist believers into membership and even appointed them to teaching positions. This was done with the qualification that they would not teach their particular beliefs concerning baptism. It all worked out fine. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> However, if an Arminian sought membership in a Reformed church, this would be an entirely different matter.

So, watcha think? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratchchin.gif" alt="" />

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I kinda thought the Geneva confession was interesting becasue it involved the whole city, as oppossed to a church, so the inhabitants really didn't have a choice but to make an outward profession or acknowledgement whether they were sincere or not.

I agree with what you said about a confession of our faith in the Lord Jesus as the only true Savior being Biblical.


I guess once the free-will debate took hold of the church culimanting in the clash at Dordt it's became difficult not to give those issues some consideration and pick a side - the free-will issue seems to be the underlying/unifying thread behind all the Reformed Confessions.

Pilgrim,

do you ever contemplate that the issue of free-will and the hidden mystery of God's saving grace has replaced much of what God has revealed to us in terms of the heart of the Gospel (i.e. Jesus came to save sinners) in which election & predestination were not so heavily emphasized/taught (OR AT LEAST NOT AS EXPLICITY).

I do think Paul's writings may touch on these themes but not as explicitly as the Reformed faith - does he make the distinction between the internal and external call? or between the true saving faith of God and temporary faith of man? in his epistles to the churches?

Could you point me to some of His plain teaching of the need for experiential faith?, in the sense of a true conversion born out of regeneration in which one undergoes misery, deliverance and gratitude?

thanks for your thoughtful instruction and consult.

AC

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yikes, my spelling and expression of ideas were all over the place in my previous thread - so let me simplify my questions -

does the Reformed confessions oversimplify or misrepresent somewhat the heart of the Gospel message by overemphasizing & highlighting the strong meat (i.e. grace alone via predestination/election) of the word?

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AC,

Actually, I think that the majority of Christendom which is entrenched in semi-Pelagianism over-simplifies the Gospel with its Sandemanianism, and so distorts the Gospel that it has become "another gospel" (Gal 1:7, 9)

For several salient articles which I believe answer your question quite nicely and in detail, see this section of The Highway: Evangelism.

It's late so I won't comment further unless you would like more. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> And, I'm sure there are a number of others who could comment on this important question as well.

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Actually, I think that the majority of Christendom which is entrenched in semi-Pelagianism over-simplifies the Gospel with its Sandemanianism, and so distorts the Gospel that it has become "another gospel" (Gal 1:7, 9)


I'm in complete agreement there!

The helplessness of man and the sovereignty of God is a much stronger (and Biblical) foundation than the Semi-Pelagianism that is so predominant.


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