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Article on John Calvin in Christianity Today #43323
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Pretty good article on Mr. Calvin (Don't call it a Comeback!) -

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In discussing predestination, Calvin followed the method of Paul in his Epistle to the Romans. One does not begin with the inscrutable decrees of God, but rather with God's general revelation in creation and the conscience (Rom. 1). This leads to a discussion of human sinfulness (chapters 2-3), God's atoning work in Christ and justification by faith (chapters 4-7), followed by the pouring out of the Holy Spirit and the declaration of God's unfathomable love (chapter 8). Only then is it fitting to consider the theme of God's electing grace in the history of Israel and in our own lives (chapters 9-11). Only then, as we look back on our rescue from sin, can we exclaim with the non-Calvinist Charles Wesley, "Amazing love, how can it be, that thou my God shouldst die for me!"

The elect are not the elite. There is no place in Calvin's thought for the kind of spiritual snobbery reflected in the old camp-meeting ditty, "We are the Lord's elected few, / let all the rest be damned./ There's room enough in hell for you, / we don't want heaven crammed!" The true Calvinist preaches the gospel promiscuously to all persons everywhere, aware that God alone infallibly knows all those who belong to him.


http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/september/14.27.html


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Yep, decent article especially when one considers the author, Timothy George, who is known to be anything but a Calvinist. giggle

Bio of Timothy George and other professors & teachers at Beeson found here: Faculty & Staff
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Timothy George
Dean and Professor of Divinity
A.B., University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
M.Div., Harvard Divinity School
Th.D., Harvard University

Timothy George has been the dean of Beeson Divinity School since its inception in 1988. As founding dean, George has been instrumental in shaping its character and mission. He teaches church history and doctrine. He serves as executive editor for Christianity Today, and on the editorial advisory boards of The Harvard Theological Review, Christian History and Books & Culture. He has served on the Board of Directors of Lifeway Christian Resources of the Southern Baptist Convention. George has written more than 20 books and regularly contributes to scholarly journals. His book, Theology of the Reformers, has been translated into several languages, and is used as a textbook in many schools and seminaries. His most recent books are Is the Father of Jesus the God of Muhammad? and The Mark of Jesus: Loving in a Way the World Can See (with John Woodbridge). He has been active in evangelical-Roman Catholic Church dialogue. An ordained minister, he has been pastor of churches in Tennessee, Alabama and Massachusetts. He and his wife, Denise, have two adult children.


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Hmmm, interesting. Yeah, I was suprised to read such a complimentary article on Calvin in CT.


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I thought outside of Mohler's Southen Seminary in Louisville, Beeson in Birmingham was the next most calvinistic leaning SBC seminary.

Isn't George associated with the Founders, or am I getting some names mixed? Maybe Marie can set up staight.


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Originally Posted by John_C
I thought outside of Mohler's Southern Seminary in Louisville, Beeson in Birmingham was the next most calvinistic leaning SBC seminary.

Isn't George associated with the Founders, or am I getting some names mixed? Maybe Marie can set up straight.

[Linked Image] All I personally know of Beeson is what I read on the seminary's website, e.g., his biographical sketch and those of the other faculty which I posted HERE. Yes, it is certainly possible for a man to receive his training at "questionable" institutions and even heretical institutions and be conservative in doctrine and life. R.C. Sproul is but one example as would be the pastor of my church. But methinks this is rather the exception rather than the rule. I read through all of the information provided on the faculty there and I found myself anything but impressed. They have a woman teaching there who is said to be an ordained minister, for example. Now, how can a school hold to Reformed doctrine and have this woman on the faculty? scratchchin

IF you or anyone else can find further information that would give credence to your present understanding that Beeson and/or the school is "the next most calvinistic leaning SBC seminary", please post it so that we might be enlightened to the facts and not left to such conclusions as I currently hold in this regard... seriously!! grin

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Hey, John!

I don't know a whole lot about Timothy George and Beeson, but I don't think they are affiliated with Founders. George also was involved in ECT II, which of course is of great concern...


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Wow...

Just saw that he is on the Founders Journal board...

Like I said, don't know much about him. And Beeson isn't SBC, at least last I knew.


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Beeson is the seminary at Samford in Birmingham, AL.

Samford is definitely a SBC college, so I assume the seminary on campus is one as well.


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Originally Posted by John_C
Beeson is the seminary at Samford in Birmingham, AL.

Samford is definitely a SBC college, so I assume the seminary on campus is one as well.


Here's the deal with Baptist colleges...

Just because it's affiliated with the state convention does not mean it is an SBC college. I went to a Kentucky Baptist college (well, it used to be...they decided to quit getting funding from them because they wanted to become more "diverse")

The only official SBC seminaries are Southern, Southwestern, Southeastern, Midwestern, Golden Gate, and New Orleans. Midwestern used to be strongly Calvinistic too. I don't know where it's gone since they have a new President and several of their Calvinist faculty came to Southern (Don Whitney being one of them).


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Something doesn't make sense here.
Everything I know about Founders shows that they are very much Calvinist. From time to time I have even had the pleasure to talk via e-mail with Tom Ascol. Tom is as Calvinist as they come.
If what Pilgrim said is true about Timothy George being anything but a Calvinist, how could he be on Founder's journal board? For that matter why would he want to be on a pro Calvinist board?

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