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There is a statement made for those that have just switched to the monergistic view of salvation it is called the "cage stage". Speaking as a partial preterist non-theonomic postmillennialist with amillennial sympathizes (I stole that from Frank Turk and switched the phrases) perhaps the same should be done with those who discover the preterist view of hermenuetics. I seem to recall much of the same conversation that Hitch had with Pilgrim when I talked about postmillennialism back in the day.
Frankly with the various competing views on eschatology and not just the big ones (pre, a, post) there is more heat and not much light as far as I can see being shed anymore. There are more important doctrines then dating when Christ returns.
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If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
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Isn't it possible that many of these Scriptures have multiple meanings? For example, Jesus quotes Daniel in Matthew 24 refurring to some event future to His earthly ministry, yet we also know from history that the Daniel passage ("the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place") was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes before the incarnation. And again in 70 AD when Jerusalem was sacked. Could there be a third instance yet future? For other passages as well?
Y'all are a lot smarter than I am... I hardly feel qualified to enter into this conversation. But I wonder if a lot of the "already and not yet" eschetological passages have multiple fulfillments, perhaps both figurative and literal. That may be true of some things but there was only first century Israel that saw Christ and His miracles and heard Him teach,in the flesh ,and murdered Him. No other generation, or nation is or could ever be capable of the regicide, and that is the crime Jesus built His parables around (Landowner's Son, Vine dresser ).Jesus also said ,speaking of the Destruction ,that it would be a unique event in history.
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There is a statement made for those that have just switched to the monergistic view of salvation it is called the "cage stage". Speaking as a partial preterist non-theonomic postmillennialist with amillennial sympathizes (I stole that from Frank Turk and switched the phrases) perhaps the same should be done with those who discover the preterist view of hermenuetics. I seem to recall much of the same conversation that Hitch had with Pilgrim when I talked about postmillennialism back in the day.
Frankly with the various competing views on eschatology and not just the big ones (pre, a, post) there is more heat and not much light as far as I can see being shed anymore. There are more important doctrines then dating when Christ returns. Some things need to be confronted and the position that the Second Advent had taken place in the first century is one of them. Im not so much concerned with those who come on a forum promoting it as with the lurkers. There are often many more folks who read posts and seldom respond. They come in to see whether or not the screwballs have any standing and how they can be dealt with.
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On the other side it s always a crack up when the dispensationalsit has to admit that he cant define this as the Second Advent.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
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