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What are their strengths and weaknesses?
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"having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith . . ." Colossians 2:7
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I am not completely sure this answers your question, but doing a Google search on Messianic Christians, I came up with the following: http://www.messianicchristianity.org/thefaiththatpaultaught.htmlIt would seem if I understand what they are saying on this site their beliefs seem to be similar to the beliefs of the adherents of the NPP (New Perspective on Paul). I would be interested in getting some feed back to see if my understanding of them is correct. I thought the following quote was quite telling: Concerning his phrase, "through faith", this is also rabbinic speak for following and obeying Yeshua Jesus, actually, for accepting YHWH's covenant through Yeshua Jesus and keeping covenant with God by following and obeying God through Yeshua Jesus! You must understand what the word that is translated/mistranslated as "belief/trust/faith" meant at the time when Shaul/Paul used it, before is was misunderstood by the great Reformers of the Reformation! See Gen. 15:6; "The Faith That Paul Taught / (Toward Understanding Paul)", as well as other information on this website, demonstrates that Shaul/Paul was speaking of an Hebraic covenant faith that required man's covenant faithfulness. If not, he was truly teaching something other than Yeshua Jesus was teaching and this would have made him a heretic! (See "Some Important Things Being Missed!"; See "The Teachings of Yeshua Jesus! / (& Check Your Translation!"!) Particularly where it says: before is was misunderstood by the great Reformers of the Reformation! Tom
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Tom, That website is fraught with all kinds of errors and heresy. It would appear that NPP is but one of a multitude of aberrant doctrines held. For example, see the following: When the Reformers were rebelling (and rightly so!) against some errant practices of the Catholic church (e.g., attempting to purchase salvation through the right good works even while living in sin!; monetary payments for forgiveness of sin and without repentance!; etc.; see " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ninety-Five_Theses " and http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/95_Theses ; and these errant practices show that the Catholic church is merely a denomination run by men), they followed Martin Luther in his surface-level understanding (actually misunderstanding) of such verses as Rom. 1:17 (justification is by "faith") and especially Eph. 2:8-9, where it can APPEAR that Shaul/Paul was teaching that works are not required for salvation (though this is not what he was teaching! See "The Faith That Paul Taught / (Toward Understanding Paul!)" SEE ALSO Wikipedia's "The New Perspective on Paul!"!!! AND INFORMATION SUCH AS http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/a/faq-cc.html#q12 and http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/a/faq-cc.html#q13 !!!). . I have found that we are not the only ones seeing this! See " http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/JWO/appendix-a-greek-issues.html "! .. The Reformers missed not only "The Hebrew Old Covenant 'Roots'" of Christianity, but also "The Rabbinic Argumentation of Shaul/Paul"! They GREATLY misunderstood Shaul/Paul and YHWH's intended Christianity which should be centered around "The Teachings of Yeshua Jesus"! SOURCE: http://www.messianicchristianity.org/reformersmistranslations.html
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Im sure they are stronger now that Mr Levitt is no longer telling them of impending rapture.
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I thought I would also add that Messianic Jews also believe that there are different requirements for Gentile and Jewish believers. For instance, Messianic Jews are still required to adhere to circumcision because they believe that it is a command for all physical descendants of Abraham. While on the other hand they believe that this is not the case with Gentiles; seeing they are not physical descendants of Abraham. They believe however, that the main thing that both true Jewish and Gentile believers have in common is the circumicism of the heart. Other differences between Jewish and Gentile believers are things like the observance of Jewish holy days as prescribed in Leviticus 23. Laws of clean and unclean meals in Leviticus 11. They believe it is wrong to force these things on Gentile believers. For further reading see http://www.menorah.org/mesianic.htmlTom
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I would in no way equate what those who own that website with all Messianic Jews. There are doubtless those who would disagree with them. However, with few exceptions, most are anti-Calvinists and embrace semi-Pelagianism to one degree or another. A few years back, there was a member here who was a Messianic Jew (Gentile) and he did not hide the fact that he and his fellow Messianic Jews accused Luther and most of the Reformers as being anti-Semitic and many other things which they considered to be morally reprehensible and theologically heretical. Again, I am assuming there are perhaps exceptions in those things too. But I have never heard of nor read of any Messianic Jews who were Reformed in the historic sense of the term. I think it would be contradictory to hold to Messianic Judaism and Calvinism, in its comprehensive sense.
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I would in no way equate what those who own that website with all Messianic Jews. There are doubtless those who would disagree with them. I understand that within the area I live in, there are two Messianic congregations. I have been told that (second hand information) that there are huge doctrinal disagreements between them. As far as I can tell, one of these congregations believes that Jesus came to restore the Jews back to their God given status. (Sorry I don't know any of the details on this belief, or if it is an accurate understanding of what they believe.) The other congregation disagrees with this. I will say that I do know that whatever the major disagreement between these two congregations is, it is major. Which would tell me if there is major doctrinal differences between Messianic Congregation in the area I live; chances are there a serious doctrinal differences in the movement as a whole. Tom
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