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Re: Love the Sinner Dept. Hitch #48193 Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:49 PM
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sojourner Member Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 149 Georgia, USA	If God willed that all be saved, then all would be.God does not have two contrary wills therefore "all men" cannot be meant every individual of mankind since it clearly is not His will that all be saved.Read all highlighted verses listed by others.There are those ordained to wrath.Read this verse as it should be read,intending it to mean all sorts of men,kings and peasants,etc..

Re: Love the Sinner Dept. Hitch #48198 Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:10 PM
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OP Hitch Addict Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 371 PeoplesRepublikofOregon	Another response from the same source,worth a chuckle. Quote Perhaps the proper questions should be asked. 1. "Will God forgive the sinner?" 2. "Will God forgive the wicked" 3. "Does God ever change his mind" 4. "Is God able to repent" If the answer is yes, does God do these things out of hatred for the sinner, or out of love for the sinner? I doubt anyone will seriously address these questions. My response ; LOL Exactly which sins or mistakes do you think God should repent of ? Last edited by Hitch; Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:11 PM.

Re: Love the Sinner Dept. Hitch #48394 Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:49 PM
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li0scc0 Addict Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 428 South Dakota	Depends if one is a 4 or 5 point Calvinist (some would say there is no such thing as a 4 point Calvinist, an argument for another thread!). 4 pointers would say God loved all, died for all (i.e. no limited atonement). And thus those who go to hell would be loved. 5 pointers would say God loved and died for only the elect (limited atonement). Thus those who go to hell are not loved. A bit black and white/simplistic, but hopefully reasonably clear. Grace is not common.

Re: Love the Sinner Dept. Hitch #48864 Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:42 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Torrington, Ct. Dennis Plebeian
Dennis Plebeian Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Torrington, Ct.	Originally Posted by Hitch Does God love those condemned to hell? No. I just wanted to add my answer; it looks like the question has been treated by others already. Last edited by Dennis; Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:44 PM. "There is no possibility of taking a mercy out of God's hand, till the mercy be ripe for us, and we ripe for the mercy." THOMAS BROOKS

Re: Love the Sinner Dept. Pilgrim #48865 Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:01 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Torrington, Ct. Dennis Plebeian
Dennis Plebeian Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Torrington, Ct.	Originally Posted by Pilgrim The hatred and damnation of the wicked displays God's ineffable holiness and justice. Amen to that! "There is no possibility of taking a mercy out of God's hand, till the mercy be ripe for us, and we ripe for the mercy." THOMAS BROOKS

Re: Love the Sinner Dept. Hitch #48868 Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:45 PM
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Pilgrim Head Honcho Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 14,457 Likes: 57 NH, USA	I agree with your answer that God does not love the reprobate. Of course, this flies in the face of the popular notion that God loves everyone without discrimination; aka: the universal love of God. At the other extreme, there are those who go too far and posit that God shows no benevolence to the wicked whatsoever, aka: hyper-Calvinism. John Gerstner has an excellent article dealing with the love of God in regard to sinners which one an read here: Does God Love the Sinner and Hate Only His Sin? simul iustus et peccator

Re: Love the Sinner Dept. Pilgrim #48871 Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:27 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Torrington, Ct. Dennis Plebeian
Dennis Plebeian Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Torrington, Ct.	Originally Posted by Pilgrim At the other extreme, there are those who go too far and posit that God shows no benevolence to the wicked whatsoever, aka: hyper-Calvinism. I agree. "There is no possibility of taking a mercy out of God's hand, till the mercy be ripe for us, and we ripe for the mercy." THOMAS BROOKS

Re: Love the Sinner Dept. li0scc0 #48872 Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:35 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Torrington, Ct. Dennis Plebeian
Dennis Plebeian Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 20 Torrington, Ct.	Originally Posted by li0scc0 Depends if one is a 4 or 5 point Calvinist (some would say there is no such thing as a 4 point Calvinist, an argument for another thread!). 4 pointers would say God loved all, died for all (i.e. no limited atonement). And thus those who go to hell would be loved. 5 pointers would say God loved and died for only the elect (limited atonement). Thus those who go to hell are not loved. A bit black and white/simplistic, but hopefully reasonably clear. I don't believe there is such a thing as a 4 point Calvinist. "There is no possibility of taking a mercy out of God's hand, till the mercy be ripe for us, and we ripe for the mercy." THOMAS BROOKS

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