Donations for the month of September


We have received a total of $60 in donations towards our goal of $175.


Don't want to use PayPal? Go HERE


Search

Featured Member
Registered: Tuesday, April 3, 2001
Posts: 13345
Forum Stats
786 Members
30 Forums
5875 Topics
47209 Posts

Max Online: 41 @ Saturday, June 30, 2012 7:54 AM
Top Posters
Pilgrim 13345
J_Edwards 4843
Tom 3901
Wes 3553
chestnutmare 2474
CovenantInBlood 2375
MarieP 2311
RJ_ 2288
John_C 1903
gotribe 1767
Top Posters (30 Days)
Pilgrim 27
Tom 18
Robin 7
rstrats 7
chestnutmare 5
John_C 4
calvin 2
Tom Mor 2
jerrybarry24 1
Recent Posts
Matthew 12:40
by Pilgrim
Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:04 AM
Belief a Choice?
by Pilgrim
Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:40 AM
Scripture Inherency
by Tom
Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:22 PM
The death of Jesus
by Pilgrim
Saturday, September 13, 2014 11:12 AM
Agree or Disagree?
by Tom
Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:53 PM
Merit and Moses: A Critique of the Klinean Doctrine of Republication
by Pilgrim
Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:14 AM
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
Hop to:
#48193 - Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:49 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
sojourner Offline

Member

Registered: Friday, February 13, 2009
Posts: 142
Loc: Georgia, USA
If God willed that all be saved, then all would be.God does not have two contrary wills therefore "all men" cannot be meant every individual of mankind since it clearly is not His will that all be saved.Read all highlighted verses listed by others.There are those ordained to wrath.Read this verse as it should be read,intending it to mean all sorts of men,kings and peasants,etc..
_________________________

Top
#48198 - Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:10 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
Hitch Offline
Addict

Registered: Tuesday, January 1, 2002
Posts: 440
Loc: PeoplesRepublikofOregon
Another response from the same source,worth a chuckle.

Quote:
Perhaps the proper questions should be asked.

1. "Will God forgive the sinner?"
2. "Will God forgive the wicked"
3. "Does God ever change his mind"
4. "Is God able to repent"


If the answer is yes, does God do these things out of hatred for the sinner, or out of love for the sinner?

I doubt anyone will seriously address these questions.


My response ;

LOL Exactly which sins or mistakes do you think God should repent of ?


Edited by Hitch (Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:11 PM)
_________________________
Marxism is the opiate of the academy.

Top
#48394 - Friday, April 27, 2012 11:49 AM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
li0scc0 Offline
Addict

Registered: Thursday, December 19, 2002
Posts: 641
Loc: Nebraska
Depends if one is a 4 or 5 point Calvinist (some would say there is no such thing as a 4 point Calvinist, an argument for another thread!).

4 pointers would say God loved all, died for all (i.e. no limited atonement). And thus those who go to hell would be loved.
5 pointers would say God loved and died for only the elect (limited atonement). Thus those who go to hell are not loved.

A bit black and white/simplistic, but hopefully reasonably clear.

Top
#48864 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:42 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
Dennis Offline
Plebeian

Registered: Sunday, April 5, 2009
Posts: 21
Loc: Torrington, Ct.
Originally Posted By: Hitch
Does God love those condemned to hell?
No.

I just wanted to add my answer; it looks like the question has been treated by others already.


smile


Edited by Dennis (Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:44 PM)
_________________________
"There is no possibility of taking a mercy out of God's hand, till the mercy be ripe for us, and we ripe for the mercy."

THOMAS BROOKS

Top
#48865 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:01 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Pilgrim]
Dennis Offline
Plebeian

Registered: Sunday, April 5, 2009
Posts: 21
Loc: Torrington, Ct.
Originally Posted By: Pilgrim

The hatred and damnation of the wicked displays God's ineffable holiness and justice.

Amen to that!
_________________________
"There is no possibility of taking a mercy out of God's hand, till the mercy be ripe for us, and we ripe for the mercy."

THOMAS BROOKS

Top
#48868 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:45 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
Pilgrim Offline

Head Honcho

Registered: Tuesday, April 3, 2001
Posts: 13345
Loc: NH, USA
I agree with your answer that God does not love the reprobate. Of course, this flies in the face of the popular notion that God loves everyone without discrimination; aka: the universal love of God. At the other extreme, there are those who go too far and posit that God shows no benevolence to the wicked whatsoever, aka: hyper-Calvinism.

John Gerstner has an excellent article dealing with the love of God in regard to sinners which one an read here: Does God Love the Sinner and Hate Only His Sin?
_________________________


simul iustus et peccator


Top
#48871 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:27 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Pilgrim]
Dennis Offline
Plebeian

Registered: Sunday, April 5, 2009
Posts: 21
Loc: Torrington, Ct.
Originally Posted By: Pilgrim
At the other extreme, there are those who go too far and posit that God shows no benevolence to the wicked whatsoever, aka: hyper-Calvinism.
I agree. smile
_________________________
"There is no possibility of taking a mercy out of God's hand, till the mercy be ripe for us, and we ripe for the mercy."

THOMAS BROOKS

Top
#48872 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:35 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: li0scc0]
Dennis Offline
Plebeian

Registered: Sunday, April 5, 2009
Posts: 21
Loc: Torrington, Ct.
Originally Posted By: li0scc0
Depends if one is a 4 or 5 point Calvinist (some would say there is no such thing as a 4 point Calvinist, an argument for another thread!).

4 pointers would say God loved all, died for all (i.e. no limited atonement). And thus those who go to hell would be loved.
5 pointers would say God loved and died for only the elect (limited atonement). Thus those who go to hell are not loved.

A bit black and white/simplistic, but hopefully reasonably clear.
I don't believe there is such a thing as a 4 point Calvinist.
_________________________
"There is no possibility of taking a mercy out of God's hand, till the mercy be ripe for us, and we ripe for the mercy."

THOMAS BROOKS

Top
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2



Who's Online
0 registered (), 18 Guests and 0 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
DAVERK, Predestined, dowryh15, Ian Groom, Jocelyne Louise
786 Registered Users
Shout Box

September
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30
Today's Birthdays
Sirdude
(Views)Popular Topics
Is man required to "choose" in order to be saved? 437817
...The people miscalled Antinomians ? 349819
Westminster Larger Catechism 318183
The importance of going to church 252764
Roman Catholicism and salvation 244175
Double predestination 227985
"Christ died in a general way for all."? 213656
Gospel truth 185138
Creation 168733
Continuity in Old and NT 134519