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#48193 - Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:49 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
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If God willed that all be saved, then all would be.God does not have two contrary wills therefore "all men" cannot be meant every individual of mankind since it clearly is not His will that all be saved.Read all highlighted verses listed by others.There are those ordained to wrath.Read this verse as it should be read,intending it to mean all sorts of men,kings and peasants,etc..
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#48198 - Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:10 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
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Another response from the same source,worth a chuckle.

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Perhaps the proper questions should be asked.

1. "Will God forgive the sinner?"
2. "Will God forgive the wicked"
3. "Does God ever change his mind"
4. "Is God able to repent"


If the answer is yes, does God do these things out of hatred for the sinner, or out of love for the sinner?

I doubt anyone will seriously address these questions.


My response ;

LOL Exactly which sins or mistakes do you think God should repent of ?


Edited by Hitch (Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:11 PM)
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#48394 - Friday, April 27, 2012 11:49 AM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
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Depends if one is a 4 or 5 point Calvinist (some would say there is no such thing as a 4 point Calvinist, an argument for another thread!).

4 pointers would say God loved all, died for all (i.e. no limited atonement). And thus those who go to hell would be loved.
5 pointers would say God loved and died for only the elect (limited atonement). Thus those who go to hell are not loved.

A bit black and white/simplistic, but hopefully reasonably clear.

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#48864 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:42 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
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Originally Posted By: Hitch
Does God love those condemned to hell?
No.

I just wanted to add my answer; it looks like the question has been treated by others already.


smile


Edited by Dennis (Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:44 PM)
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#48865 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:01 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Pilgrim]
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Originally Posted By: Pilgrim

The hatred and damnation of the wicked displays God's ineffable holiness and justice.

Amen to that!
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#48868 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:45 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Hitch]
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I agree with your answer that God does not love the reprobate. Of course, this flies in the face of the popular notion that God loves everyone without discrimination; aka: the universal love of God. At the other extreme, there are those who go too far and posit that God shows no benevolence to the wicked whatsoever, aka: hyper-Calvinism.

John Gerstner has an excellent article dealing with the love of God in regard to sinners which one an read here: Does God Love the Sinner and Hate Only His Sin?
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#48871 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:27 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: Pilgrim]
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Originally Posted By: Pilgrim
At the other extreme, there are those who go too far and posit that God shows no benevolence to the wicked whatsoever, aka: hyper-Calvinism.
I agree. smile
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#48872 - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:35 PM Re: Love the Sinner Dept. [Re: li0scc0]
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Originally Posted By: li0scc0
Depends if one is a 4 or 5 point Calvinist (some would say there is no such thing as a 4 point Calvinist, an argument for another thread!).

4 pointers would say God loved all, died for all (i.e. no limited atonement). And thus those who go to hell would be loved.
5 pointers would say God loved and died for only the elect (limited atonement). Thus those who go to hell are not loved.

A bit black and white/simplistic, but hopefully reasonably clear.
I don't believe there is such a thing as a 4 point Calvinist.
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