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#48983 - Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:38 PM Muslim Persecution of Christians
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I recently read an article on Muslim persecution of Christians around the world and thought it was worth sharing here.

Not sure this is anything new, but it seems to me that this is more wide-spread than I remember it.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3135/muslim-persecution-of-christians-may-2012

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#48984 - Wednesday, July 4, 2012 5:13 AM Re: Muslim Persecution of Christians [Re: Tom]
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I read through several of the articles on that website and there are some serious accusations made in regard to the persecution of non-Muslims world-wide. I'm wondering if any of them can be verified from other sources? It is well known that the Internet is not the most reliable source of factual information. rolleyes2

However, if what the majority of the reports and articles alleged as being true, then people really need to be informed of the dangers inherent with the Islam religion. Political Correctness and demands for Toleration (a hypocritical venture on its face) is certainly a contributing factor to the problems of persecution by Muslims being faced in various places throughout the world.

What ideas do you have in regard to government policy, if any, to prevent this type of thing happening in the West, where you live? scratchchin
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#48990 - Saturday, July 7, 2012 2:12 PM Re: Muslim Persecution of Christians [Re: Pilgrim]
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What ideas do you have in regard to government policy, if any, to prevent this type of thing happening in the West, where you live?


I am not sure about government policy; however I will say that this kind of thing should not be allowed to happen. The people doing the persecution should be prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law. Not sure however, what our government can really do against other countries that foster this kind of persecution

I will say however, that knowing the way people are and how laws are being interpreted these days. Such laws will be used against Christians who preach on passages such as Romans 1:24-32. They will try to prosecute them for what they call persecution against homosexuals.

However, that is already happening.
How about you, what are your ideas?

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#48991 - Saturday, July 7, 2012 2:27 PM Re: Muslim Persecution of Christians [Re: Tom]
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Because of the inherently violent nature of Islam as a religion according to how Muslims are to act toward "infidels", if a Muslim is caught/accused of violence against anyone, not just Christians, it is my unreserved opinion that they not only be prosecuted for their crime but after the sentence is served, they be deported from the US/Canada without possibility of returning forever.

However, given that the modern judicial system is too often 'soft on crime', and that most western governments are more concerned about being "politically correct", it is doubtful any such action would ever be taken.
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#48995 - Monday, July 9, 2012 9:48 PM Re: Muslim Persecution of Christians [Re: Pilgrim]
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Originally Posted By: Pilgrim
Because of the inherently violent nature of Islam as a religion according to how Muslims are to act toward "infidels", if a Muslim is caught/accused of violence against anyone, not just Christians, it is my unreserved opinion that they not only be prosecuted for their crime but after the sentence is served, they be deported from the US/Canada without possibility of returning forever.

However, given that the modern judicial system is too often 'soft on crime', and that most western governments are more concerned about being "politically correct", it is doubtful any such action would ever be taken.


Pilgrim

I thought of some comments and questions related to your opinions.

You mentioned "inherently violent nature of Islam". I agree with you that the Koran instructs its followers to violence towards "infidels". However, would you agree that in North America most Muslims are actually liberals when it comes to the interpretation of the Koran in much the same way that liberal Christianity (oxymoron) is?
I have heard however from sources that the Koran allows its followers to lie if it is to deceive "infidels". So, when I think about that I can't help but to think that many liberal Muslims in North America could possibly be waiting for the most opportune time in which to do violence against "infidels".

Is that a logical thought?
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#48996 - Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:27 AM Re: Muslim Persecution of Christians [Re: Tom]
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Originally Posted By: Tom
I thought of some comments and questions related to your opinions.

You mentioned "inherently violent nature of Islam". I agree with you that the Koran instructs its followers to violence towards "infidels". However, would you agree that in North America most Muslims are actually liberals when it comes to the interpretation of the Koran in much the same way that liberal Christianity (oxymoron) is?
I have heard however from sources that the Koran allows its followers to lie if it is to deceive "infidels". So, when I think about that I can't help but to think that many liberal Muslims in North America could possibly be waiting for the most opportune time in which to do violence against "infidels".

Is that a logical thought?

1. I cannot comment on how North American Muslims interpret the Koran nor if they are "nominal" in their beliefs (mostly giving lip service to their religion). My personal knowledge is woefully insufficient for me to make any kind of judgment.

2. Yes, it is my understanding also that Islam allows its adherents to lie to 'infidels' in order to accomplish their end. Jehovah's Witnesses have a similar doctrine which allows them to lie to non-Witnesses because non-adherents are of the Devil and no one needs tell the truth to the Devil since he is the Father of Lies, according to them.

3. Again, I do not have sufficient information to even speculate that these 'liberal Muslims' as you call them, are 'waiting for the most opportune time in which to do violence'. What I do believe firmly is that if a situation arose which required Muslims to choose between democracy or Islam, the vast majority would unequivocally choose their religion and act accordingly, contra most professing Christians in the West would quickly abandon any connection they claimed to Christianity if the right pressure was presented. After all, most professing Christians (I am using the term in its broadest sense here) do not live according to the will of God as revealed in Scripture nor desire to nor even know what the will of God is. If ignorance is bliss, then most professing Christians must already be in heaven. rolleyes2
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