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RC Sproul Jr's choice of words #51505
Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:48 PM
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Let me begin by saying that I know God is the Sovereign Creator and Sustainer of the universe. I know that He ordains all that happens. With that being said, RC Sproul Jr. has been the guest speaker at my church this weekend (Friday, Saturday, Sunday). The look on everyone's face was that of being in awe. I am probably the only one that is wondering why this man was asked to come given his past history. This is why I am posting this here. Also, let me say that my town is very small and no one with a recognizable name ever comes to it.

During the course of the weekend Jr. mentioned his wife's death several times. Each time as he was making a point he said that he "preached a sermon" to her instead of saying I reminded her, I told her, I mentioned to her, etc. I thought this was odd. This seems like some sort of extreme version of authority. Am I nitpicking?

The other thing that bothered me was that he said "Leukemia was God's gift to his wife to make her more Christ-like". I am wondering did this woman get to experience the normal emotions that come with impending death? Did her children get to grieve? Is his choice of words confusing to anyone except me?

The pastor has stated that he hopes to be able to get Jr. to come back "year after year". This has me concerned.

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Re: RC Sproul Jr's choice of words [Re: ATulipNotADaisy] #51506
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I guess you can count me as another "nitpicker", which has been done before. grin

1. I too would have grave concerns that R.C. Sproul, Jr. was invited to a church where I was a member. Not only does he have a 'questionable' past history, but he also joined with the "Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches" which hold to the damnable heresy of Federal Vision, although it has been reported he left that group eventually. Additionally, having had several online discussions with the man several years ago, I found his views concerning Covenant Theology, especially how he views covenant children, most disturbing.

2. I would agree, that IF his wife was a true believer, that the leukemia could be said to be the means to make her more "Christ-like", particularly in that the expression of her faith amidst the pain and anguish would be a testimony of God's goodness in such trials. Certainly, it would be expected that she would experience the same suffering that anyone that had leukemia, but the way she dealt with it would be totally different than an unbeliever, [cf. Job].

3. And lastly, saying he "preached to her" is in my mind also a rather strange choice of words. I would have expected something more along the lines of, "I comforted her with God's promises to His own found in Scripture." etc. I know others who have had dealings with R.C. Sproul, Jr. and one of the complaints they have voiced is that the man thinks far too highly of himself, shows little humility and often spoke to them in a condescending manner.

Since your pastor has stated he hopes to have R.C. Sproul, Jr. return "year after year", red flags would most definitely be flying high. Perhaps you should have a friendly chat with your pastor and ask why he would make such plans. What is it about the man that he finds commendable and that would be of benefit to those he has been given the responsibility to serve. scratchchin


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Re: RC Sproul Jr's choice of words [Re: Pilgrim] #51507
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Originally Posted By: Pilgrim
I found his views concerning Covenant Theology, especially how he views covenant children, most disturbing.:


Specifically what?

Re: RC Sproul Jr's choice of words [Re: ATulipNotADaisy] #51508
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Originally Posted By: ATulipNotADaisy
Originally Posted By: Pilgrim
I found his views concerning Covenant Theology, especially how he views covenant children, most disturbing.:


Specifically what?

He was (have no clue what he now holds, although I suspect it hasn't changed) espousing presumptive regeneration of his own variety, i.e., he believed that ALL covenant children are to be considered regenerated and treated as such. It is no surprise to me that he found camaraderie with the CREC the likes of Doug Wilson, Peter Leithart, Steve Wilkins, et al. Now, my memory isn't the best at times so I cannot be absolutely positive, but it seems he was also espousing paedo-communion. shrug


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Re: RC Sproul Jr's choice of words [Re: Pilgrim] #51509
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Yes, you are correct in saying that RC Sproul, Jr. is a proponent of paedo-communion.

Ask RC (Jr.)


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Re: RC Sproul Jr's choice of words [Re: gotribe] #51510
Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:02 PM
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I just wonder why someone with a checkered past was selected to come as opposed to someone with a good reputation.

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Re: RC Sproul Jr's choice of words [Re: ATulipNotADaisy] #51511
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I think it's a dangerous trend that Christians and churches create and idolize "celebrity" teachers, preachers, and evangelists. Their celebrity status increases their influence and the damage they do when they fall - whether into heretical doctrine or immorality or whatever.

Y'know I would expect this sort of celebrity-worship from a Charismatic pastor or church. Proven hirelings and whoremongers like Jimmy Swaggart still have large followings of devoted idolators who hang on their every word. But I would expect better from so-called Reformed churches and pastors.


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