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The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate #52395
Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:41 AM
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Re: The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate [Re: Anthony C.] #52396
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I read the biblical passages which the author claims John Knox used to formulate/apply this doctrine of "The Lesser Magistrate" and I found nothing whatsoever that would teach such doctrine. Unless Scripture teaches any doctrine, it makes no difference who embraces it and/or teaches it.

What Scripture does teach, e.g., Rom 13:1ff is that all, including Christians, are to be subject to the "higher powers", i.e., those in authority over them. However, there are two exceptions which Scripture also teaches:

1. Christians are not to obey any law, edit, rule, etc., which is contrary to what God Himself forbids.

2. Christians are to disobey any law, edit, rule, etc., which God Himself requires of them.

What does authorize 'lesser magistrates' to ignore that which the federal government demands is the Constitution of the United States which gives the individual States autonomy over the Federal government when it oversteps its proper authority.


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Re: The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate [Re: Anthony C.] #52397
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But Calvin does promote the lesser Magistrate to rebel against ungodly rulers, no? As did Luther, I believe.... so an appeal has precedent from our Reformed fathers who influenced our forefathers.....

So I would agree that we haven't a Biblical warrant so much as there is a constitutional and more importantly a religious-historical justification.... not sure any of our lesser magistrates have the heart for it or if Christians should be appealing them to do so and resist on our behalf from a religious freedom perspective as a preemptive measure or extra protection..... I'm not even certain I would agree with such a measure in these times..... the days of the reformers the issues were pagan Christianity vs. Biblical Christianity now the fight is religious humanism or more accurately godless Secularism vs. Biblical Christianity ..... I believe


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Re: The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate [Re: Anthony C.] #52405
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Originally Posted By: AJ Castellitto
But Calvin does promote the lesser Magistrate to rebel against ungodly rulers, no? As did Luther, I believe.... so an appeal has precedent from our Reformed fathers who influenced our forefathers.....

Really? But if Scripture doesn't teach such a view, in fact, if Scripture teaches something at variance with such a 'precedent', which it surely does, then methinks that precedent is surely to be rejected, don't you? scratchchin

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So I would agree that we haven't a Biblical warrant so much as there is a constitutional and more importantly a religious-historical justification....

Constitutional vis a vis the U.S. Constitution, correct? But more importantly a religious-historical justification which has no biblical warrant? If there is no biblical warrant for something, then how can it be of any value whatsoever other than showing what a believer should not believe?

Murray has a neato article on tradition here: Tradition: Romish nd Protestant. Rome's errors in most every case found their beginning in the ill-thought ideas of men which were then adopted by their 'church' and eventually made canon. It makes no difference if John Calvin or Martin Luther believed in this doctrine of the "Lesser Magistrate", which hasn't even been established as fact. If Scripture doesn't support the view then it should be rejected, right? grin


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Re: The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate [Re: Anthony C.] #52406
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I understand, I don't think Calvin and Luther believed in a doctrine of LM per se as being scripturally binding or authoritative or even in anyway being biblically derived....I think they were just smarting from the whole Catholic scene in which they escaped.... so they by default had to be cognizant of the 'political' scene and the Godly or lack thereof influences within the civil/national sphere. but I pretty much agree with what you are saying


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