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I have never heard of this until recently, but what about the 4th Commandment being referred as a ceremonial law. Apparently, a few (or some) are making an argument that it is, even from the Calvinist side.
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What do you mean when you say that they are This is from the Reformed teaching of the Heidelberg Catechism and if you would read through the question and answer as well as the commentary which follows, hopefully your question may be well answered. The Heidelberg Catechism - The Fourth Commandment
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Just that some who are making that argument are Calvinists.
Would their be a disagreement between the Heidelberg Catechism and the Westminster Confession of Faith on the Sabbath?
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Just that some who are making that argument are Calvinists.
Would their be a disagreement between the Heidelberg Catechism and the Westminster Confession of Faith on the Sabbath? Well, there are Calvinists and there are "Calvinists", e.g., those who belong to the "New Calvinist" movement and who typically are very weak on the doctrine of worldliness and the moral law. The Fourth Commandment is usually the first to be thrown out. The Heidelberg and WCF are in 100% agreement re: the perpetuity of the Fourth Commandment and the day; the first day of the week. Exegetically, it is impossible to bifurcate the Fourth Commandment or any of the Ten Commandments from the others. One either embraces them all or none. They stand as an inseparable unit since they are an expression of the very nature of God and thus our obligation to be conformed to them.
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John, look at the Heidelberg's teaching and tell me what you think. There are some really good resources on this site which everybody should make use of. If you haven't read through the Creeds and Catechism section, please I would encourage you to do so.
Some people say that they hold to confessions but in practice, they betray that they don't really agree with them. Not saying that they are infallible or that I agree with everything that is taught in them but I do agree substantially with them. You do realize that they are on this Board and much time has been put into adding them to The Highway so that people would have easy access to them.
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In essence the Heidelberg Catechism and the Westminster Confession of Faith are in agreement with each other. The Heidelberg is shorter in explanation than the the WCF, so that may give some impetus to a claim a difference. As an anecdote, I've been to many Presbytery meetings where it gets bog down when examining new ministers for ordination on what is meant by recreations. This is what the WCF 21-8 says on the Sabbath. "VIII. This Sabbath is to be kept holy unto the Lord when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest all the day from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations,[38] but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.[39]" I've heard mention that their is a difference with the Continental Reformed and the English Reformed when it comes to application. That the continental Reformed is a little more lax, and there was a slight difference of opinion between Calvin and Knox on the subject. I came across this article while googling, and it might be helpful or it might cause disagreement with it. Link to articleI fully agree with what Jeff posted in this thread, but I do think many in our pews will affirm the Sabbath practice. However, they really haven't thought through what is meant, and they somewhat think that worshiping in church on Sunday morning fulfills the Sabbath requirement.
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