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#54000 - Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:08 AM Noteriety, Purity and In Between  
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I noticed in Reformed history preachers and theologians garnered lots of noteriety....it is the same today but with that comes extra scrutiny, purity tests and the need to stay on the straight narrow..... Looking at guys like Beeke and Piper, along with Keller, etc. there comes a time where they may somehow intersect with less faithful movements..... Can we separate guilt by association from getting the word out to the heretical sects..... I know even Washer has preached to some tough crowds risking a non invite in the future.... Any thoughts, I'm kinda thinking out loud here..... I do see pca is in some big trouble, so all pastors and denominations must remain on guard


http://www.pccmonroe.org/downward-spiral-of-joel-beekes-ministries.html

http://apprising.org/2014/01/16/joh...e-of-ihop-together-at-linger-conference/

https://youtu.be/xPrDFVHiiKA

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#54008 - Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:38 PM Re: Noteriety, Purity and In Between [Re: Anthony C.]  
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It is my opinion that we are guilty by association when we team up with those who believe another gospel for the purpose of sharing the gospel. When it comes to "getting the word out to heretical sects", just preach the gospel and leave the rest up to God. ...A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump (1Cor. 5:6).

#54014 - Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:02 AM Re: Noteriety, Purity and In Between [Re: Anthony C.]  
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I agree with you. I do not have a problem standing beside a RC when they are standing up for the unborn. However, when they say things like they as Christians want stand together, such as ECT, Manhattan declaration, etc..that is a completely different matter. Even then, we should be careful.

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#54017 - Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:08 AM Re: Noteriety, Purity and In Between [Re: ATulipNotADaisy]  
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Originally Posted by ATulipNotADaisy
It is my opinion that we are guilty by association when we team up with those who believe another gospel for the purpose of sharing the gospel. When it comes to "getting the word out to heretical sects", just preach the gospel and leave the rest up to God. ...A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump (1Cor. 5:6).

I tend to agree when the emphasis is upon "team up". It is possible, theoretically I suppose, that a good man/woman could speak at a conference or gathering sponsored by unorthodox people/groups without compromising the truth. The result would be, of course, some angst coming from those who gave the invite. grin However, when one regularly takes part in conferences, etc., sponsored by unorthodox people/groups it certainly does not look good for the orthodox individual and a healthy dose of skepticism and caution is certainly called for. In Beeke's case, add to his several appearances at events sponsored by known heretics the selling of their books and other unorthodox authors in his book store, one has a difficult time putting any previous trust in the man. [Linked Image]


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#54021 - Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:21 AM Re: Noteriety, Purity and In Between [Re: Tom]  
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We can and should come together for social issues such as abortion/gay marriage, and speaking out against moral decay, but in areas of doing evangelsim and outreach for salvation, should align with like minded!

#54065 - Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:16 PM Re: Noteriety, Purity and In Between [Re: Pilgrim]  
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Originally Posted by Pilgrim

I tend to agree when the emphasis is upon "team up". It is possible, theoretically I suppose, that a good man/woman could speak at a conference or gathering sponsored by unorthodox people/groups without compromising the truth. The result would be, of course, some angst coming from those who gave the invite. grin However, when one regularly takes part in conferences, etc., sponsored by unorthodox people/groups it certainly does not look good for the orthodox individual and a healthy dose of skepticism and caution is certainly called for. In Beeke's case, add to his several appearances at events sponsored by known heretics the selling of their books and other unorthodox authors in his book store, one has a difficult time putting any previous trust in the man. [Linked Image]


Then the "good man or woman" should give the conference host a heads up on what they intend to say. This would avoid any confusion and might result in an uninvite.

#54077 - Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:00 AM Re: Noteriety, Purity and In Between [Re: Anthony C.]  
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#54085 - Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:45 AM Re: Noteriety, Purity and In Between [Re: ATulipNotADaisy]  
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Originally Posted by ATulipNotADaisy
Then the "good man or woman" should give the conference host a heads up on what they intend to say. This would avoid any confusion and might result in an uninvite.

Typically, those invited to speak are given a pre-selected topic which coincides with a 'theme'. Notables are just that... well known individuals and thus a solidly orthodox individual's writings will be familiar to those making the invite. So, that begs the question, If such an individual as Beeke who in the past has stood on solid ground doctrinally and in practice is invited to speak at a conference sponsored by questionable people/groups, what exactly has been the content of his presentation? IF it was a subject where Beeke was at variance with the sponsors, why would they invite him to speak? However, what really bothers me is the selling of books which are not orthodox. Why would those books be sold and even recommended? scratchchin


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#54087 - Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:41 PM Re: Noteriety, Purity and In Between [Re: Anthony C.]  
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Speaking of Joel Beeke; I know relatively very little about the man. Yet lately at Church when talking to several individuals, his name has come up quite a few times. He seems to be one of their favorite preachers to listen to.
I guy that I have only in the last year or so, have started listening to and have enjoyed is Dr. Stephen Lawson. Especially his series on the Attrubutes of God.
Tom

#54088 - Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:08 PM Re: Noteriety, Purity and In Between [Re: Tom]  
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I had the pleasure of attending a conference where Joel Beeke was the sole speaker and he was excellent. That was about 6 years ago. I also had the opportunity to have lunch with him and speak privately with the man about a couple of issues. What has transpired since that time disturbs me much and concern has settled in.


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