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Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55381
Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:16 AM
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I haven't studied the issue of the calendar too much in-depth, but I recently came across one reformed author who believes its biblically meant to be sunrise to sunrise.

https://reformedbooksonline.com/when-does-the-lords-day-begin/

"The most plausible passage for an evening-reckoning of the Sabbath in the New
Testament, concerning the events of Jesusí burial and the buying of spices on Friday
evening (Lk. 23:50-56), is found to be incompatible with an evening-reckoning and
consistent with the morning-view. "


I'm not sure it materially affects the sign of Jonah the Saviour was intending.

Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55413
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Further clarification of the OP:

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who believe that a calendar day begins and ends at sunset.

3. Of those there are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

4. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

5. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

6. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

7. I wonder if anyone who falls in that above group of believers might provide examples to support that belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.





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Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55414
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Do your beliefs include a seventh-day sabbath?


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Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: Meta4] #55415
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Meta4,
re: "Do your beliefs include a seventh-day sabbath?"

That's an issue for a different topic.

Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55416
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Originally Posted by rstrats
Meta4,
re: "Do your beliefs include a seventh-day sabbath?"

That's an issue for a different topic.

Hmm... that seems to be your stock reply to any answer which you do not like, or to any question which you wish to avoid.

People may be more willing to engage in conversation with you, if you were more forthcoming about your own position.


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Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: Meta4] #55417
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Meta4,
re: "Hmm... that seems to be your stock reply to any answer which you do not like..."

Why should I like non-applicable replies?



re: "... or to any question which you wish to avoid."

I have unfortunately let myself get drawn off topic and have answered a number of questions. As for your question "Do your beliefs include a seventh-day sabbath?" please explain why you need an answer in order to provide examples.



re: "People may be more willing to engage in conversation with you, if you were more forthcoming about your own position."

First off I'm not looking for conversation - only examples. And secondly, while I have given a number of positions, none of them, or for that matter any other ones, are nesessary for being able to provide examples.

Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55418
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Originally Posted by rstrats
First off I'm not looking for conversation

That much, at least, is true. You have repeatedly demonstrated in this thread, and in others, that you have no interest at all in what anyone else has to say, unless it lines up entirely with your own opinion.

By being secretive, you lead others to believe that you have something to hide. By refusing to answer certain questions, or to make your own position known, you arouse suspicions and simply alienate others.

For five years you have continued to hammer away at this same point, all the while rejecting the answers you have received and repeating your mantra of "That's an issue for a different topic." Honestly, I don't know what you think you will achieve by doing so.

Why don't you open up, and tell us where you stand, and exactly what your purpose and reasoning is in asking this question? Who knows, perhaps you will find that there are others on this forum who agree with your position.


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Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: Meta4] #55419
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Meta4,
re: "Why don't you open up, and tell us where you stand, and exactly what your purpose and reasoning is in asking this question? "

My stance/position is that if someone asserts that it was common in the 1st century or before to forecast or say that a daytime or a night would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur, then that person would have to know of examples in order to legitimately make the assertion of commonality. That is this topic's only issue. And I'm simply curious if it was indeed common usage of the time.


BTW, you have a couple of questions directed to you in post #55417.

Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55496
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Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55503
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What makes you think anyone can improve on what has already been said?
I think the answers that have been given by Pilgrim and others are excellent.

Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: Tom] #55504
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Tom,
re: "What makes you think anyone can improve on what has already been said?"

Optimism.



re: "I think the answers that have been given by Pilgrim and others are excellent."

Maybe for a different topic. But for this particular one I still don't see where they have provided examples which show that it was common to forecast that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

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Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55505
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I think that has been answered sufficiently; I can't add to it.

Tom

Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55507
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Tom,
re: "I think that has been answered sufficiently..."

I wonder if you might point out the post which provides examples? I haven't seen any.

Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats] #55520
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Someone new looking in may know of examples.

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Meta4,

You have a couple of questions directed to you in post #55417.

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