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Re: The Sabbath #6156
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Linda,<br><br>Doubtless, it is very easy to fall into extremes when it comes to the issue of "how to" observe the Sabbath. Some, which you are surely aware, say that the Lord's Day isn't a special day at all and there is no need to get "legalistic" about some issue that died out when Christ came, etc. Then on the other hand there are those who believe you should follow a strict set of rules and regulations; i.e., what is appropriate behaviour, but in most cases these rules and regulations don't tell you what you can or should do, but rather they are lists of what is forbidden. The Pharisees were masters of the latter approach and of course, the world owns the former view. The writers of the Westminster Confession, I believe have the right approach, but the document itself doesn't set forth any details that expound upon their general statements. Even their general statements can and have been used to create a list of "Do not's", e.g., it is a violation to: read the newspaper or any other non-Christian literature, cook meals, wash dishes, talk about anything other than God, etc., etc.. ad nauseam. So, with that said, here's what the WCF says on this matter of the Sabbath:<blockquote><center>[color:blue]The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter XXI</font color=blue><br>Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day</center><br><br>VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in his Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, he hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week,[35] and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[37]<br><br>34. Exod. 20:8-11; Isa. 56:2- 7<br>35. Gen. 2:2-3; I Cor. 16:1-2; Acts 20:7<br>36. Rev. 1:10<br>37. Matt. 5:17-18; Mark 2:27-28; Rom. 13:8-10; James 2:8-12<br><br>VIII. This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations,[38] but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.[39]<br><br>38. Exod. 16:23, 25-26, 29-30; 20:8; 31:15-17; Isa. 58:13-14; Neh. 13:15-22<br>39. Isa. 58:13-14; Luke 4:16; Matt. 12:1-13; Mark 3:1-5</blockquote>Van Reenen is quite good in his exposition of what it means to keep the Sabbath, IMHO (his entire series on the Ten Commandments is marvelous). You can read his exposition by clicking here: The Fourth Commandment<br><br>In His Grace,


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It is the day change that I am not dogmatic about Pilgrim.

So, can I thus presume that you keep Saturday unto the Lord; a day esteemed to be holy unto God where in you cease from your normal labors and focus your heart and mind upon the great things of God, etc.? scratchchin

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Re: The Sabbath [Re: Pilgrim] #6158
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Pilgrim, I agree with you and the WCF re "the spirit" of the day.<br><br>Tis the day change I cannot see , especially from Rev 1:10. <br><br>howard

Re: The Sabbath [Re: Pilgrim] #6159
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That "chap" , I have just remembered, goes by the name of "Visigoth" who posts on the Puritan boards by the way.<br><br>howard

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Mean while , I can see no biblical warrant to change from Saturday to Sunday . Who can ? I've yet to meet him/her.



Define "warrant", please?

Thank you.


God bless,

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Re: The Sabbath [Re: Pilgrim] #6161
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Pilgrim, I "keep" as much of EVERYDAY unto the Lord. <br><br>Saturday or Sunday is no different to me .<br><br>I am at home every day as I do not work in the secular world apart from 5 hours a week driving for a charity.<br>I have no place of worship at present so Sunday is the same to me as Wednesday. I study theology every day and witnees whernever I can .<br><br>My "normal" labours are christian ones.<br><br>howard

Re: The Sabbath #6162
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I cannot see the change of day in the bible .<br><br>howard

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I know what you believe, I want you to define the word warrant, so I know the level of evidence necessary to sway you.<br><br><br>God bless,<br><br>william

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Ok , perhaps warrant was the wrong word.<br><br>How about what sayeth the scripture ?<br><br>howard

Re: The Sabbath #6165
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What about the practice of the early church for understanding?<br><br><br>God bless,<br><br>william

Re: The Sabbath #6166
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After we've looked at what the bible says about the day change .<br><br>howard

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Howard,
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I have no place of worship at present

Does this mean that you are also:

1) Not partaking of the sacraments?

2) Not hearing the sound preaching of the entire counsel of God and seeing its fruit borne in the life of the church?

3) Not subject to the discipline of any church body under the pastoral oversight of its elders?

4) Not in mutually beneficial fellowship with other believers in your local area?



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Paul S
Re: The Sabbath [Re: Paul_S] #6168
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No sacraments, no hearing sermons (I read them), no elders but I have some time with christian friends. I do see some fruit but He sees more.<br><br>Why Sunday ?<br><br>howard

Re: The Sabbath #6169
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[color:"blue"]After we've looked at what the bible says about the day change .



And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight (Acts 20:7).


This shows that the church celebrated the sacrament of the Lord's Supper, and also heard the Scripture, on the first day of the week, that is, Sunday.

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


This shows that tithes and offerings were laid aside on the first day of the week, that is, Sunday.

Furthermore, Christ was resurrected on the first day of the week, which is why weekly worship in the early church was conducted on Sundays.


Kyle

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Re: The Sabbath [Re: CovenantInBlood] #6170
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Thats what you think Sunday is Kyle.

Where in the Bible does the 4th commandment change from Saturday to Sunday ?

howard

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