<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Did you read the article on predestination and free-will on the website. Did the conclusions come from left field or what?</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>Yes, I have read them and found them strange. The Scriptures do not "clearly teach free-will," but they do clearly teach predestination (not merely "destination" as argued on that site, and not a "limited predestination," either). I wonder how long people will continue to ignore what is taught in Rom. 9!
Kyle
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.
I didn't read through the entire article, but does the fellow explain the presence of geological factors that demonstrate a global flood? The world wide nature of fossils is the prime example. How else are we to explain the mass extinction of animal groups and the massive fossil grave yards of animals that appear to have been "washed" together? Moreover, rapid burial is needed to produce fossils. The only plausible explaination is that there was a global flood. Any other is just speculation.<br><br>Fred
"Ah, sitting - the great leveler of men. From the mightest of pharaohs to the lowest of peasants, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" M. Burns
Doesn't anyone believe in good, old-fashioned Darwinian evolution anymore?<br><br>Lord, hasten the day when Darwinists become extinct. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh[/img]
Kyle
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.
I like the bumper sticker that says "Now, even Darwin knows he was wrong"
True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin
Amen. Me too! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin[/img]
True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin
Lord, hasten the day when Darwinists become extinct. <br><br>Amen to that!<br><br>For me that can’t happen soon enough, my daughter has to do an assignment on evolution for her evolutionist science teacher.<br>My daughter is quite vocal about her faith and her teacher told her and another Christian student, that they were crazy not to believe in evolution.<br>She has no choice but to give the answers that her teacher wants, but I showed her a site http://www.answersingenesis.org, that would help her with any questions that she has.<br><br>Tom
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]her teacher told her and another Christian student, that they were crazy not to believe in evolution.</font><hr></blockquote><p>Oh contraré!! One would have to be "crazy" to believe in Evolution. Even before I was given eyes to see, ears to hear and a mind and heart that yearned for God; a professed Atheist for 26 years, I could never embrace the view that says that I am nothing more than the product of some chance cosmic phenomena acting upon a piece of primordial slime. <blockquote>Psalms 33:6 (KJV) "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth."<br><br>Psalms 74:13-17 (ASV) "Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: Thou brakest the heads of the sea-monsters in the waters. Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces; Thou gavest him to be food to the people inhabiting the wilderness. Thou didst cleave fountain and flood: Thou driedst up mighty rivers. The day is thine, the night also is thine: Thou hast prepared the light and the sun. Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: Thou hast made summer and winter."<br><br>Psalms 95:3-6 (ASV) "For Jehovah is a great God, And a great King above all gods. In his hand are the deep places of the earth; The heights of the mountains are his also. The sea is his, and he made it; And his hands formed the dry land. Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before Jehovah our Maker:"<br><br>Psalms 100:3 (KJV) "Know ye that the LORD he [is] God: [it is] he [that] hath made us, and not we ourselves; [we are] his people, and the sheep of his pasture."<br><br>Psalms 119:73 (ASV) "Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: Give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments."<br><br>Psalms 139:14-16 (ASV) "I will give thanks unto thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: Wonderful are thy works; And that my soul knoweth right well. My frame was not hidden from thee, When I was made in secret, [And] curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance; And in thy book they were all written, [Even] the days that were ordained [for me], When as yet there was none of them."<br><br>Psalms 92:5-6 (ASV) "How great are thy works, O Jehovah! Thy thoughts are very deep. A brutish man knoweth not; Neither doth a fool understand this:"</blockquote>In His Grace,
I agree with you 100%, unfortunately evolution is quite popular these days, even among supposed Christians.<br>What I didn't mention in my other post was that my daughter did get a little perplexed because some of the so called facts [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/puke.gif" alt="puke" title="puke[/img] sounded very convincing. This is why I steered her towards http://www.answersingenesis.org. They do a very good job at debunking evolutionists.<br><br>Tom<br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Oh contraré!! One would have to be "crazy" to believe in Evolution. Even before I was given eyes to see, ears to hear and a mind and heart that yearned for God; a professed Atheist for 26 years, I could never embrace the view that says that I am nothing more than the product of some chance cosmic phenomena acting upon a piece of primordial slime.</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>Yeah, even when I was "skeptical" in high school, I was at least as skeptical of evolution as of Christ. It always sounded ridiculous.
Kyle
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.
Tom:<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]My daughter is quite vocal about her faith and her teacher told her and another Christian student, that they were crazy not to believe in evolution.</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>Your posts here caused me to pull out some old books that I had previously read. One is Michael Behe’s book, “Darwin’s Black Box”. Your daughters teacher may be able to better relate to this type of a book since Michael Behe is himself a Professor of Biochemistry. I would suggest that you get a copy for your daughter to master and get a copy for her to give to her teacher, perhaps as a Christmas present.<br><br>His explanation of the biochemical processes of vision in the human eye will just astound the imaginations. How could it ever have come about by “natural means”? The “black box” of vision was a closed box in 19th century Darwinism. Today that “black box” has been opened for all to “see”. I don’t think even Darwin could be a Darwinist in the 21st century. Behe’s main contention is that “evolution” must now be argued at the molecular level. He states, “..for the Darwinian theory of evolution to be true, it has to account for the molecular structure of life. It is the purpose of this book to show that it does not” (pg <br>25)<br>There is a review of this book at Answers in Genesis. Here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1130.asp<br><br>Dave<br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]One is Michael Behe’s book, “Darwin’s Black Box”.</font><hr></blockquote><p>Oh! That reminds me. Here's a link to a good lecture by an OPC pastor: Evolution: The Materialist Juggernaut.
Kyle
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.
Thanks Dave<br><br>But experience tells me that I shouldn't press the issue too far with my daughter. She has a way of shutting me out when I do that, I have given her a fair amount of information already.<br><br>Tom
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