But in effect are they still talking about the same thing. I mean even though both an Arminian and and Calvinist would affirm original sin is the definition that each one attaches to the meaning of the term "orginal sin" the same? I'm not saying this to make a point, I'm actually asking. So maybe I should ask this question, "In the reformed definition of original sin is the extent of the sin part of the definition of original sin or is the extent to which original sin reaches dealt with by another term?"

John