The modified Calvinist Norman Geisler

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/drop.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> "Modified Calvinist"... Yeah, right!

Maybe you should read James White's response to Geisler, The Potter's Freedom.

And if you interpret those verses as meaning that "at certain times people can make a free, morally significant choice from a position of moral neutrality," you make the Bible out to have contradictions. Total Depravity is most definitely taught in Scripture!

You'll find some wonderful articles here:


Of relevance to this discussion are the articles under the categories of Soteriology and Anthropology.

By the way, Pink was speaking of the condition of man BEFORE the Fall.

A chart from the Monergism website:

State of man in history

Morally Able to do

Created yes yes
Fallen no yes
Redeemed yes yes
Glorified yes no

Inclined by Nature to
Created no no
Fallen no yes
Redeemed yes no
Glorified yes no

A summary of Thomas Boston's Human Nature In Its Fourfold State:


True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin