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His claim is that he repented of a something permissible but not correct.

(Fred) Yes, that is his claim, as well as mine. There is nothing inherently heretical in the incarnational sonship view. Perhaps in your world, it is heretical, but thankfully, you are not the keeper of the oracles of truth, the Bible is.


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Fred, I don’t think you appreciate what a fallacy is, from what you’ve said. If your paradigm for fallacy is correct, then it would be fallacious of you to charge Mormons of adhering to heresy. After all, they “understand the Bible slightly different than what your favored theology dictates.”

(Fred) Please, come on now, your comparrison is silly. In fact it is so silly that it echoes through the halls of absurdity.

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If you want to be rational, I’ll try to deal with you on this matter. If you just want to rant and rave, let’s drop it now.

(Fred) There is no ranting and raving, I am simply correcting distortions of what John had believed.

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However, if the intra-Trinitarian relationship, which presupposes Son and Father, is not eternal, Christianity is false. Do you deny this? Yes or No.

(Fred) Nope, and neither did John, because the incarnational viewpoint doesn't deny that the father and the son are eternal in their nature. The position teaches that the term "son" speaks to Christ in his humanity. In the mind of the eternal God, the second member of the Trinity purposed to take on flesh and take the roll of a son to die in the place of sinners.
Now, I disagree with that, as I disagreed with John when he held this position, but I know what he was talking about and he wasn't advocating heresy as you claim.

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Keep in mind, there is unity and diversity in the Godhead. The unity is predicated upon the Son as Son and his relationship to the Father, etc.

(fred) I would agree with you, but again, the terms son and father are designations meant to convey what the Godhead had purposed to do from eternity past and what the Godhead did in the securing of the elect to salvation.

Fred

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