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It actually freed mankind from two deaths. From the judgemeent of Adam and the consequences our our sins, which is spiritual death. So therefore, His death was surely a vicarious sacrifice, we don't necessarily need to suffer death IF we believe and IF we endure.

The IF creates an inconsistency. Did Christ save all humans or not?

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But that penalty was paid for all men. Not just a few.

Then by what sin are men yet condemned?

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Surprised that you even know and use the word correctly.

Sarcasm noted. I'll ask you to cease. I took Soteriology101 at a pelagian-credo college. I understand your heresy.

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Quite correct. It has not failed. So why do you believe in a limited work of Christ? Why do you believe God changes, in that He changed His plan is midstream somewhere, which you have failed to show.

I don't. I totally believe Jesus saved all He intended to. Your lack of contextual analysis noted also. Here are a couple of links to help you see your error,

Owen on John 3:16

Engelsma on John 3:16

Boettner on Limited Atonement

Dabney on the Nature of the Atonement

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Obviously, you believe that there are several ways to Christ.

I'll ask you to support that claim by quoting me.


God bless,

william

Last edited by averagefellar; Sat Jan 01, 2005 12:55 AM.