You know what, we could sit here and debate this and I don't think either of us would change our minds. So, brother, let's move on to other discussions. Please don't think it is a "cop out." It's just that I've giiven you all I can give you on the subject.

True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin