|
|
Tom
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 4,585
Joined: April 2001
|
|
|
Forums30
Topics7,830
Posts55,059
Members975
|
Most Online732 Jan 15th, 2023
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 14,498 Likes: 58
Head Honcho
|
Head Honcho
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 14,498 Likes: 58 |
You argue that God does not force man to choose, because man chooses according to his nature.
Who gave man his nature? It would appear once again that you are refusing to acknowledge that something radical happened at the Fall and to distinguish between Adam's nature in its prelapsarian state and Adam and all his posterity in his postlapsarian state. Since you choose to be selectively ignorant of what has been written on this subject, e.g., whatever C.S. Lewis wrote is compulsory reading along with now Aquinas, the best way to refute your error is to quote inspired writers, which I have already done but you dismissed them too, e.g., all the texts I provided for your perusal beginning with Gen 6:5, 8:21, Jer 3:13, etc., etc. But because I believe that Scripture stands on its own since it is God's infallible and inerrant revelation I shall continue to quote His Word to either your salvation or damnation: Romans 5:12 (ASV) "Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--... (18) Romans 5:18 (ASV) So then as through one trespass [the judgment came] unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness [the free gift came] unto all men to justification of life." God created man (Adam and Eve) very good, upright (Gen 1:27,31; Eccl 7:29) but they transgressed God's law. I'm sure you are familiar with the historical account of the Fall, correct? Thus, in the beginning, man was created with the imago dei. But after the Fall, all Adam's progeny were created in his (Adam) image (Gen 5:3). The spiritual death which God had promised in the curse for disobedience fell upon Adam, Eve and all men, thus this spiritual death, aka: corruption of nature was inherited by all as Paul clearly teaches in Romans 5:12-18.
simul iustus et peccator
|
|
|
|
Entire Thread
|
Free will
|
MrDon
|
Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:39 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
chestnutmare
|
Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:27 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Robin
|
Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:30 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
patricius79
|
Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:03 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:25 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:28 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:15 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:33 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Tom
|
Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:38 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
Tom
|
Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:54 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
sojourner
|
Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:56 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
AC.
|
Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:53 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:20 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:17 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:15 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:18 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:05 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:22 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:05 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:26 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:35 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:17 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:37 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:43 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:24 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:20 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Tom
|
Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:23 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:11 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:39 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:25 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:07 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:24 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:11 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:15 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:46 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:54 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:59 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:46 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:33 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:55 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:46 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:00 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:14 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:21 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:41 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
chestnutmare
|
Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:10 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:02 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:25 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:03 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:08 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:44 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:19 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:48 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:43 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:42 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:19 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:11 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:17 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:06 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:00 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:21 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:58 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:02 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:35 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
AC.
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:43 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:53 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:03 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:29 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:33 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:56 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:06 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:29 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:48 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:25 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
AC.
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:31 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:43 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
AC.
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:54 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:04 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:53 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:23 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:33 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:24 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Tom
|
Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:04 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:07 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:26 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:03 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
Tom
|
Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:37 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:56 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Pilgrim
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:15 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
Tom
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:58 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
jmp
|
Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:05 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
MikeL
|
Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:16 PM
|
Re: Free will
|
Tom
|
Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:35 AM
|
Re: Free will
|
CovenantInBlood
|
Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:05 PM
|
|
|
0 members (),
61
guests, and
29
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
S |
M |
T |
W |
T |
F |
S |
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
5
|
6
|
7
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
12
|
13
|
14
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
19
|
20
|
21
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
26
|
27
|
28
|
29
|
30
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
|
|
|
|