Originally Posted by flowers92
God does not force people to do things they don't want to do, he restrains people from doing worse....
1. True. God does not and cannot force people do that which is against their nature.

Originally Posted by flowers92
and their actions fit God's will as he planned to begin with.
2. Yes, IF you are saying that all men's actions were foreordained from eternity to accomplish His perfect will. And, that man's thoughts, words, and deeds exhibited in time are not the impetus for God acting. Put another way, God doesn't wait for man to do something first before responding.

Originally Posted by flowers92
It is unnecessary to assume that God forces people to do things, God actually takes advantage of their personal wills because humans are evil to begin with.
Methinks this is saying the same as #1. The way this statement is phrased causes me some small uneasiness, however. grin It could be construed that man has some independence which God did not ordain, i.e., what man does is not 100% known to God until it is done. That isn't what you are wanting to say, right? scratchchin

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