All right let's clarify. you said: <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>[color:blue]One of the characteristics of Christ's sheep are that they follow Christ. A person who is unregenerate (even if he/she is one of the elect) obviously does not follow Jesus before they come to Him. So your argument that you must be a sheep to respond to the call is invalid. I believe what it is actually saying is that those who love the Father (just as many under the Jewish law did), were Christ's sheep and would come to Him.</font color=blue><p><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>What I'm trying to state is that you are adding conditions to the term "sheep". <br><br>In John 10 Christ makes no such distinction.<br><blockquote>John 10:3-4<br>To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: <br>and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them <br>out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice</blockquote><br><br>The point is that they were His sheep (whatever their condition) in the first place, they come because He calls there is no other reason.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>[color:blue]Rest assured if I did see what you are saying, I would be hallucinating-- for there has not yet been a reply to my challenge that holds any water. If you don't believe me, read my rebuttals.</font color=blue><p><hr></blockquote><p> <br><br>As far as I can see you should patent that sieve because its useless (as are your rebuttals) for holding any water. there have been many replies most quite good. But you're like a kid with his fingers in his ears doing his best not to hear his parents commands, when they are calling out to him not to run into that freeway. You ought to rethink your position. <br>