Joe,<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>[color:"blue"]In Josh T case I see something different than just Arminianism though. I see him believing and defending a righteousness which is by his works. I<br>see him "speaking" and "talking" of grace, but believing in his works. Since he believes this, how may he really be saved?</font><p><hr></blockquote><p><br>OK, you have me there. I can see that his view is really no different than CathApol who also is trusting in works for his salvation.<br>Susan <br>