Dear Freddy,<br><br>IRT:<br>You essentially believe that Jesus can fail in accomplishing the salvation he promises to his people?"<br><br>No, I believe that man can fail to remain Christ's people and fall short of His promises (Hebrews 4:1).<br><br>IRT:<br>"Are you saying that Jesus lied, or was in error, when he told the people in Capernaum that, "all that the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will by no means cast out." (John 6:37)?"<br><br>No. I said that all that the Father gives to Christ will come to Him, and that if one does not abide in Christ, God the Father will cut him off and cast him out (John 15:1-7).<br><br>IRT:<br>"One interesting textual note about that passage. The original language has two negatives, so that when Jesus states, "I will by no means cast out," the language of John's gospel is emphatically stating an impossibility. In other words, Jesus is so sure of what he will accomplish with the father giving his people to him, that they could never be cast out."<br><br>It does not say that they could never be cast out, it simply says that Jesus won't. But as I pointed out above, John 15, as well as Romans 11 prove that one can be cast out for not abiding in Christ.<br><br>IRT:<br>"In my opinion, you need to stop reading the Bible with humanistic and Greek philosophical glasses, and just let it state what it states. (Of course I am assuming you will be reading it with the proper hermenuetical rules in place!)"<br><br>I was just about to ask the same thing of you: What exactly does Revelation 22:19 mean if not what it is clearly stated? How can a man fall from grace (Galatians 5:4), and still be under God's grace? How can a man escape the corruption of the world through knowing Jesus Christ, and yet not be saved (2 Peter 2:20)?<br><br><br>In Christ,<br>Josh