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MarieP #11997 Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:06 PM
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Cult Awareness was my abbreviation for Interfaith Evangelism (IE) of the North American Mission Board (NAMB) of which there I know exists an Interfaith Evangelism Director (Specialist in Jehovah’s Witnesses and Roman Catholicism), Interfaith Evangelism Manager (Specialist in Cults & Sectarian Groups), IE Associate for American Christianity and Esoteric Movements, and an IE Associate for World Religions and the New Age Movement. It was just easier to say Cult Awareness. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

P.S. there are good Reformed Baptist Churches (independent) and good reformed SBC churches as well.


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Almost all the Reformed SBC churches around here subscribe to NCT. The Reformed SBC churches that don't subscribe to NCT are twenty miles away from me, and I have to either rely on someone to drive me or on the bus routes (which are greatly limited on Sundays).

The Reformed Baptist church is 12 miles away, and I already know of some people who could drive me, but so far it is a big job to get my parents to be comfortable with me doing that (they say I'm being narrow-minded and pharisaical to not go to the one nearby, which subscribes to NCT. They keep asking me to explain to them what I don't like about the NCT church and what I like about the Reformed Baptist church, but, as expected, they being nominal and Biblically illeterate, they can't understand.


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MarieP #11999 Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:32 PM
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Well NCT is a monster you should stay away from....maybe you can find a good Presbyterian Church to attend that is closer?

For more on NCT do a search here on the forum...there has been plenty said...


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Marie, Forgive me for instructing you on doing a search here....I did not know it was you...you have changed your username since the last time I was here and thus I thought you were a newbe... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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I actually found an Associate Reformed Presbyterian church that is about six or seven miles away. Of course, I'd have to clear it with my boss first, since I work in a Baptist seminary and all. Right now I think God wants me to stay in that job, although as I learn more about the seminary I see some things that concern me. I'm still a credobaptist, although not as adamant of one as I used to be.


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LOL! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

That's ok, bro.

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You can become a little more paedo by watching Richard Pratt's video on Baptism (select videos >> Why Do We Baptize Our Children? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" />


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A lot of what you said in your post has been discussed in some of the threads on this topic. But I was not aware that the SBC had endorsed the film, as well as the information about the cult awareness division. That is indeed a sad piece of news. If you know where to find more information on that aspect, I for one would be interested in reading it.

As you are probably aware however, most Reformed Baptists don't believe the film violates the 2nd commandment. I am in the minority on that one.
So for the most part (not that I haven’t talked about it) when talking to other Baptists I stay away from the 2nd commandment issue.
I have not seen the movie myself (for obvious reasons), but with all the research I have done on it, I certainly feel like I have seen it. My research comes from both the films critiques and those who have endorsed it.

When I talked to most of my friends about the issue, although most of them respected my right not to want to see it, they never the less made it known that they will reserve judgment until after they see it.
I am fairly happy to report that many of them that saw it, they recently told me that I was correct about the movie being full of Roman Catholic theology.

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After watching the film, Chapman said, "I prayed for God to do something in America, ... some kind of spiritual catharsis that would change America."

Urging Southern Baptist leaders to follow the example of many churches that are seeking to use the movie as an evangelistic outreach tool, he said, "We can get busy and prepare to become a soul-winning force like the nation has not seen in our lifetime."

Distributing a written report about the movie, Chapman wrote, "I hope every Southern Baptist pastor will train his people to be ready with an answer! The film will teach them what Jesus did. We must teach them why He did it. Start praying now that hundreds, even thousands in your city will come to Christ."

"My prayer is this," he concluded, "Lord, make your passion my passion."

SBC's Chapman describes his passion about Mel Gibson's "Passion" movie


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You might want to listen to this sermon by Dr. Jim Orrick at Southern Seminary. He is one of two professors who has problems with the Passion movie, and he makes a very good point about the 2nd Commandment issue:

If those who say "Well, Jesus was man too, so that commandment doesn't apply" are consistent, then they won't object to people saying the name in Jesus in vain. They wish to say the third commandment applies to Christ, but not the second!

http://www.sbts.edu/resources/audio/Fall2003.php

It's the message dated Thursday, November 20, 2003


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As you are probably aware however, most Reformed Baptists don't believe the film violates the 2nd commandment.

Tom, Tom, Tom there you go making generalities again. What research do you offer that proves this statement? I mean did you do a poll? Has the ARBCA given the film a thumbs up vote? Did The Founders say "Yes, this film is the best thing since the 4 laws put out by Bill Bright everyone should go to it!"

So Tom you don't mind if I ask for some proof, real proof, not just hearsay.

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I think that a critic said it best when he described Gibson as creating a new genre the "religious splatter" film.

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