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We must come to the right conclusion.

I agree. But on an issue such as this, since we don't have enough information, even from Scripture (because people are interpreting the same passage multpile ways here at times) than we don't know the correct conclusion, so we do the best that we can.

Also, salvation doesn't hinge on what we think about whether infants are damned or not. If GOd wanted us to know exactly, He'd have exactly said. He did tell us exactly what we need to know, though. That some infants in Scripture were rgenerated in the womb and David had hope he'd see his again.

If we are truly trusting God for the answer to this delimma, than, when the time comes for us to counsel that mother who just lost her baby, God will give us the correct words and actions to help her deal.

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Although I agree there is nothing in the Bible to conclude that all babies who die in infancy are elect and go to heaven. I do know that Mohler & Piper are in pretty good company in their belief. CH Spurgeon among others also believes that way.
I of course must bow to what I believe the Word of God says on the issue, but that in no way changes my respect of people like Mohler, Piper & Spurgeon.

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Tom,

I in no way want you or anyone else to misinterpret my post, I mentioned Piper and Mohler and my reaction to their views as an example of both my understanding of what's being said and what I feel about it. I also don't want to be accused of being closed minded, I've considered the issue and read what the opposition thinks and I still believe what I believe b/c I've studied Scripture, any other approach seems unwise at best.

I still respect Piper, and have gained a great deal more respect for Mohler in recent months, but I thank God that niether they nor any other man can add to the Bible. We must remember that it is Sola Scripture and that by God's Grace Alone.

Thanks for your reply.

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Dear Kalled,

You may have noticed the rant Graemlin in front of the paragraph in which I said this. I just felt like adding that rather random comment and you and I both know that it's not unusual for me to state things in strong terms which can sometimes be misconstrued. At the same time, this is a discussion board so I'm stirring up discussion, except that this is perhaps not the right thread anymore for that.

For what you like to call "Non-issues", I don't think they're usually the most important things, but he who is faithful in a little is faithful in much. If our theology is to be true to God then we must seek to make our beliefs coexist, not by ignoring the things we don't like, but by searching out those beliefs in scripture to see if what we've been taught is sound. The Gospel of John uses the word "Logos" in the first Chapter to describe Jesus, if I'm not mistaken, and that is the root for the word Logic, correct me if I'm wrong on that. Don't you think that God wants all our beliefs to line up with His scripture in a logical manner? The little things may be little by themselves but can have a big impact on how we interpret big things.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/coffee2.gif" alt="" /> Wake up you liberal John Wesley want to be and smell the doctrine, "I'm right, your wrong, that's all that matters."
(That's a joke between us everyone, don't take it seriously).
Oh, and everyone, this is a good represenative of Kalled in real life: <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bananas.gif" alt="" />
He does look and act like that all the time.

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The Gospel of John uses the word "Logos" in the first Chapter to describe Jesus, if I'm not mistaken,. . .
Brother Luke,

FYI, you are mistaken! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" /> The "Logos" of God is the SON; the second person of the Trinity and not Jesus. For the "Logos" became flesh in v. 14, which was the incarnation of the Son in the person born of Mary, aka: Jesus of Nazareth. This is a common error but one which I am always wanting to correct as it is a fundamental element of the faith, i.e., God became flesh and dwelt among us. The divine person joined Himself with a human nature and thus the two natures dwelt in the one person of Jesus Christ.

If you make the "Logos" to be Jesus, then verse 14 would read, "And Jesus became Jesus . . ." <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/idea.gif" alt="" />

Food for thought? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Brimstone,

Nice to meet you. You over at OCU also? I've seen Kalled squirm just like that.......HEHE!


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Dear Pilgrim,

Thank you for your helpful post. This particular subject has never been talked about in any great length and I appreciate the food for thought. I think though that my point that God is logical and purposeful and that His revelation of Himself and His work fits that aspect of His character is still valid. I will continue to consider this, it opens that particular chapter to some more interesting thoughts that I've not necessarilly considered previously.

Thank You Pilgrim,

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HE DOES IT TO YOU TOO?!?

I too am pleased to read your post and hear your thoughts. I am not one of those "Mighty Oaks" but rather I'm at USI, a "Screaming Eagle" if you can believe that.

I've known Kalled for about 6 years+ now and we're pretty good friends, though he is far skinnier and more liberal than I am in most matters. I can't remember having met you in person, but perhaps we can all hang out sometime. Kalled and I enjoy discussing church and such over (energy) drinks or Jone's Soda's on the weekends. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" /> I appreciate the plight of knowing him, God bless you each and every time you step into class with him. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bravo.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, I need to be going, Private Message me sometime if you want to know anything he won't tell you.

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There's a book about this topic titled, "Safe in the Arms of God," and it's by John MacArthur. I have not read it, but I know several people who have who say it deals precisely and thoroughly with the objections raised and that it does so in a biblical way. It might be worth a try for those who are still wondering about this or who want to check into it further. Some have found it very convincing.

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