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Re: Gospel truth [Re: beloved57] #33102
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Hi Sir, it does not matter how you spin it , If you believed the gospel , you believed in limited atonement. By the way, faith in the gospel does not get a person saved, it only makes manifest that they have been chosen by God. For your information, any letter paul wrote , it was to those who had professed faith in the true gospel. But if you want to know the contents of that gospel in a nutshell, see 1cor 15:1-4. It does not matter if a person could read , or write, that does not hinder The Holy Spirit of God from revealing the truth of the gospel. Lets look at john 16: 13, 14 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


Your use of scripture is more spiritualized than Scott Hahn!!! Show me in Philemon where Paul mentions limited atonement. And how God has mystically given this information which can be expressed to those people who never read some of Pauls letters


There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.
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i`m sorry you lost me. i just wrote that paul wrote to those who had believed the gospel. evidently he knew of philemon's faith in the lord jesus christ. vs 5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;

paul says the same thing to the romans look at romans 1: 8

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Joe, your reference to philemon only proves my premise that he evidently heard the gospel preached and had faith.. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bananas.gif" alt="" />


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me葉he task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
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i`m sorry you lost me. i just wrote that paul wrote to those who had believed the gospel. evidently he knew of philemon's faith in the lord jesus christ. vs 5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;

paul says the same thing to the romans look at romans 1: 8

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Joe, your reference to philemon only proves my premise that he evidently heard the gospel preached and had faith.. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bananas.gif" alt="" />


It is amazing how you can deduce such things from whatever you want. Faith in the Lord Jesus does not automatically equal understanding limited atonement. OF which the word does not do justice to His definite atonement. The Gospel is much more than what you claim it is. When Paul stated the Gospel was preached to Abraham, where is his understanding of limited atonement? You have dug yourself into a corner Darryl. You need a wider view of God. The Atonement is limited, but God is not. Paul greeted all in his letters like that. Again, no limited atonement in Titus, Philemon, and not present everytime he spoke.

I am sad that you have concluded thus in all the written word. IT is not yours to do that to, it is God's


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i`m sorry you lost me. i just wrote that paul wrote to those who had believed the gospel. evidently he knew of philemon's faith in the lord jesus christ. vs 5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;

paul says the same thing to the romans look at romans 1: 8

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Joe, your reference to philemon only proves my premise that he evidently heard the gospel preached and had faith.. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bananas.gif" alt="" />


It is amazing how you can deduce such things from whatever you want. Faith in the Lord Jesus does not automatically equal understanding limited atonement. OF which the word does not do justice to His definite atonement. The Gospel is much more than what you claim it is. When Paul stated the Gospel was preached to Abraham, where is his understanding of limited atonement? You have dug yourself into a corner Darryl. You need a wider view of God. The Atonement is limited, but God is not. Paul greeted all in his letters like that. Again, no limited atonement in Titus, Philemon, and not present everytime he spoke.

I am sad that you have concluded thus in all the written word. IT is not yours to do that to, it is God's


Joe, it`s not really hard to understand ! By faith we understand. It`s a matter of the Holy Spirit enabling the regenerated Elect sinner, to Trust in what Christ did for His people ! It`s really quite simple . The elect sinner who has been made acutely aware of their sinfulness , hears the good news as to what christ has accomplished on the the cross for the sins of his people or chosen ones. By a person hearing that message, he is brought to realize, that it`s not what he can do to be saved , but his only hope is that he is the recipent of Gods sovereign particular love, much like the publican, who said lord be propitiated to me a sinner. Even those during the old test times, who were not Jews, but elect, were brought to believe in a covenant God for a particular people. Look at ruth 1: 16 But Ruth replied, "Don't urge me to leave you or to turn back from you. Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God.

ruth by her being a elect , was brought to realize that only the God Of Israel ( The God who only Loved a special people) was the true and living God. Rahab is another, who came to believe in The God who had only elected a certain people. If you know your bible the way you claim, you should see this. Job is another , He came to believe in the God of Israel, thats how he knew about the sacrifices and was enabled to utter the monumental words that I know my redeemer Liveth ! Jesus when speaking to a women matt 15: 24

24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus implied by this that his mission is not to seek all mens salvation,but only the lost sheep, the elect, the chosen. And you see what happens when we preach the truth, this women expressed faith in the messiah in spite of his limited mission only to save some. Now as to abraham believing in a limited atonement , you will not see it, because you are blind to the truth, but here is a verse that proves what I am saying about abraham believing in a special limited atonement as it pertained to christ and what he would accomplish gal 3 : 16

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me葉he task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
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I know I have had this conversation recently somewhere else. Deja Vu. But then I thought, "Could their be 2 rock heads who speak the same nonsense?'' lol

I see this disease spreading rampantly. Placing some perverted grid over all 66 books. Not only books, but all verses. I could quote Nahum 1:1 and darryl would say ,AHA!!! There is limited atonement

1 An oracle concerning Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum of Elkosh.

Darryl says
See Joe. Ninevah and Nahum are the only ones mentioned, hence particular redemption for them.


or

Luke 4:31-32 - So he came down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and taught them on the Sabbath day. They were astonished at his teaching, for his words had the ring of authority.

Darryl says: the THEM are the chosen, and they knew it Joe.

It is almost comical.


There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.
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Joe, lets move on, you believe what you believe about the gospel and its fundamental message, and I believe what I believe. We will see on that day ! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me葉he task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
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Joe, lets move on, you believe what you believe about the gospel and its fundamental message, and I believe what I believe. We will see on that day ! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />


Your post has nothing to do with what the gospel is. You are concerned that every SINGLE time a "sermon" is recorded in the writ, it contains all 5 petals of the flower. This is where you error. And you put the concentration on mans understanding immediately. Yes you cloak this that it is given of God, but your MAJOR concentration is what was understood.

I will make this simple for you. When Christ called the disciples, this effectual call was their regeneration, not their conversion.

ASV: He findeth first his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah (which is, being interpreted, Christ). Jophn 1:41

That is it. And this proves his regenerancy.

When Peter gave his proclamation that "You are the Christ", this proves His regenerancy. No mention of any petal of the tulip

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Joe, please let it go sir ! You believe what you believe.


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me葉he task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
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Joe, please let it go sir ! You believe what you believe.


I find it interesting that after you've been rebuked by literally everyone in this thread you simply come to this pragmatic conclusion. When you say, "You believe what you believe... and I'll believe what I believe you make the truth subjective which it is not.

Joe and others have rightly stated what the problem is. Namely you are reading your views into the text.

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Joe summed it up rather nicely when he wrote....

Your post has nothing to do with what the gospel is. You are concerned that every SINGLE time a "sermon" is recorded in the writ, it contains all 5 petals of the flower. This is where you error. And you put the concentration on man's understanding immediately. Yes you cloak this that it is given of God, but your MAJOR concentration is what was understood.


Now, either you are slow to comprehend or simply unteachable. Why don't you take a little time and re-read this entire thread. Then ask God why your fellow believers here on the Highway have responded to you the way they have.


Wes


When I survey the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died, my richest gain I count but loss and pour contempt on all my pride. - Isaac Watts
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ok sir, since you wanted to comment, which you have all the right, what do you believe the gospel is ? Please don`t be general, but be specific ! Thanks..


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me葉he task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
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Very Ironic , how you refer to passages that illustrate the very gospel you appear to despise. truths like effectual call , regeneration , those are truths of the gospel as limited atonement. Jesus taught all those truths as part of his message Jn 3= regeneration , he teaches man depravity and his need to be born again before he can believe, in john 6, & 10 he teaches the effectual call or irrestible grace also in jn 10 he teaches limited atonement , and perseverance of the saints. You have problems , along with others , in distinguishing what christ does to illustrate the gospel truths , and what true gospel preachers should preach as gospel truths. 1cor 15: 1-4 , is a good example of what the contents of the gospel are...


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me葉he task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
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ok sir, since you wanted to comment, which you have all the right, what do you believe the gospel is ? Please don`t be general, but be specific ! Thanks..


Here we go again! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />

Good luck Wes!

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ok sir, since you wanted to comment, which you have all the right, what do you believe the gospel is ? Please don`t be general, but be specific ! Thanks..


Here we go again! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />

Good luck Wes!

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Do you mind explaining ? Believe what ?


Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me葉he task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
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Do you mind explaining ?


You just don't get it. We've answered your question again and again but you simply won't listen to our answers because you've already decided what the answer is.

Limited Atonement should be preached but it is only one small facet of the Gospel. Limited Atonement is not the Gospel. Its like saying "Des Moines IS the United States of America!

The Gospel is not a doctrine but a true historical event. The Gospel is the Son of God dying for our sins. This good news to us is the ultimate purpose of the ENTIRE Scripture.

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Do you mind explaining ?


You just don't get it. We've answered your question again and again but you simply won't listen to our answers because you've already decided what the answer is.

Thats not true sir !

Limited Atonement should be preached but it is only one small facet of the Gospel. Limited Atonement is not the Gospel. Its like saying "Des Moines IS the United States of America!

this is the first time you have admitted that limited atonement is part of the gospel. So is election, so is the deity of christ, so is mans inability..

The Gospel is not a doctrine but a true historical event. The Gospel is the Son of God dying for our sins. This good news to us is the ultimate purpose of the ENTIRE Scripture.

The gospel is a doctrine :
rom 6:17 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.


Denny

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Acts 20: 24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me葉he task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace.
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