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Some may have heard about Rev. Carl Gallups, who prayed at a Donald Trump rally.
Someone who is a Trump supporter sent me a link to that prayer, saying it is another good reason to support Trump.
Before this I had never even heard about Carl Gallups, so I did a little digging.
I found one link that I am trying to find out how legit it is. If anyone can shed some light on it, I would appreciate it.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/polit...lly-sandy-hook-truther-article-1.2557311

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I found one link that I am trying to find out how legit it is. If anyone can shed some light on it, I would appreciate it.
What exactly are you wanting some "light" to be shone on?

I've read some similar claims about the Sandy Hook massacre from other sources but never gave them much thought; just cast them off as typical conspiracy rantings.


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Sandy Hook raises so many question marks that I am forced to question the whole narrative..... I'm convinced that an nwo-style demonic global deception is at play. Is Gallups legit? I think his heart is in the right place, as far as his soul is concerned I cannot tell, nor should I try.....

http://sandyhookjusticereport.com

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/12/33-unanswered-questions-on-sandy-hooks-3rd-anniversary.html

http://deepinsidetherabbithole.com/sandy-hook-i/

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/0...eveals-resigned-position-made-feel-sick/

Added one more for good measure, check out the political connectedness http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/sandy-hook-actors-elite-political-connections-videos/

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Here's a real quick and easy assessment from a learned source
http://thewashingtonstandard.com/sa...hat-it-was-a-drill-and-no-children-died/

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Okay, okay... so the conspiratists believe that the reported massacre at Sandy Hook school was fiction. No one was shot, injured or killed. And, that according to the "The Washington Standard" the whole event was "a drill". It was planned and orchestrated by the Obama Administration for the main purpose of solidifying their anti-Second Amendment agenda. I think that is what all these articles are saying or at least implying.

Were there any funerals conducted for the alleged killed students? Were there any actual graves dug and caskets buried? Are there records available from the coroner's office that show anyone was actually shot and killed? Are there public documents that would support that the children that were allegedly killed were really buried? Where are the newspaper articles that reported that the filmed events were actually a practice drill, etc., or is there not one single newspaper that is privy to this alleged "drill"?

We have relatives in Connecticut who live about an hour from Newtown, CT and who have never heard one word that the Sandy Hook massacre was a drill.

Bottom line... it is possible that someone conducted a "drill" at that school, but it is more than improbable that the public was never informed after the fact and was led to believe that a mass shooting took place and children were killed. igiveup


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You beet me to it and I might add better than I could.
One other thing that I thought about that seems odd. Why have we not heard from any of the children's parents if it was just a drilll?
At this point, If I believed it was just a drill, I might as well believe that 9/11 was not a terrorist attack.
By the way the main reason I brought this matter up, is I was wondering what kind of people Trump was serounding himself with.
It seems that many evangelicals are impressed with Trump getting Gallups to pray.
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Based on your angle, I respectfully don't think you fully get it.... Which is fine, what's been going down is pretty darn unbelievable and requires a complicit media and massive corruption.... But gov. does have ability to control the guilty and shut down inquiry.... If the powers that be want America to follow a certain path they can make it happen any way or any how..... Don't be quick to believe mainstream media that will paint others as nutty conspiracy theorists.... Be willing to hear their arguments and know human depravity has no bounds.... And vote trump.....

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/01/sandy-hook-hoax-how-we-know-it-didnt-happen/

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The 'parents' are in on it, the school has been closed for years, not sure if some of those kids even exist.... Or if the shooter even existed . Crisis actors, computer generated composites and government controlled and corrupted local entities...... That whole area was controlled...... If you ever see the movie eyes wide shut you will catch a glimpse into the global elite and it's pretty satanic..... It just strengthens my faith in a righteous God who will shut down all the evil and deception

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Originally Posted by Tom
By the way the main reason I brought this matter up, is I was wondering what kind of people Trump was serounding himself with.
I wouldn't say that Trump surrounded himself with Gallup or such individuals. They are just individuals who happen to want Trump vs. Hillary to win and support him. The people who Trump will surround himself with are those who he chooses to be part of his cabinet, etc., should he win.


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I will say one more thing then I will put this thing to bed, Bush Sr. was head of the CIA and is part of the CFR (council on foreign relations) as well as Obama and many other high ranking gov officials now and then..... both parties have special global interests at heart. We are seeing our privacy, our health policy choices, our gun rights and even our freedom of religion go out the window and global powers are behind all of these developments... often contrived and/or manipulated to push an agenda that violates our freedoms somehow.. But in the end, these developments would jive with where the bible says we are headed. http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/09/06/sandy-hook-ten-proofs-vitiate-official-account/

So maybe I am gullible but nothing would surprise me anymore.... It's not worth dwelling on

"Rear Admiral Chester Ward--himself a CFR member until he realized what it was all about and withdrew--said about the CFR. Remember, Admiral Ward was the Judge Advocate General of the Navy from 1956-1960.

Admiral Ward said, “The most powerful clique in these elitist groups [such as the CFR, Trilateral Commission, et al] have one objective in common--they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the United States. A second clique of international members in the CFR . . . comprises the Wall Street international bankers and their key agents. Primarily, they want the world banking monopoly from whatever power ends up in the control of global government.”

He also said, “The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all-powerful, one world government.”

Admiral Ward was exactly right. Even a cursory look at the names of the most prominent politicians, media personalities, and leaders of the Federal Reserve shows a preponderance of influence by the CFR. For example, here is a small listing of some of the most influential members of the CFR or Trilateral Commission (or sometimes both):

George Herbert Walker Bush. Bill Clinton. Sandra Day O’Connor. Dick Cheney. Les Aspin. Colin Powell. Robert Gates. Brent Scowcroft. Jesse Jackson, Sr. Mario Cuomo. Dan Rather. Tom Brokaw. David Brinkley. John Chancellor. Marvin Kalb. Diane Sawyer. Barbara Walters. Cyrus Vance. Paul Volcker. Henry Kissinger. George Schultz. Alan Greenspan. Madeleine Albright. Roger Altman. Bruce Babbitt. Howard Baker. Samuel Berger. Elaine Chao. Dianne Feinstein. Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Chuck Hagel. Gary Hart. John McCain. George Mitchell. Bill Moyers. Jay Rockefeller. Donna Shalala. Strobe Talbott. Fred Thompson. Robert Zoellick. Richard Nixon. Hubert H. Humphrey. George McGovern. Gerald Ford. Jimmy Carter. John Anderson. Walter Mondale. Michael Dukakis. Al Gore. John Kerry."

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim
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By the way the main reason I brought this matter up, is I was wondering what kind of people Trump was serounding himself with.
I wouldn't say that Trump surrounded himself with Gallup or such individuals. They are just individuals who happen to want Trump vs. Hillary to win and support him. The people who Trump will surround himself with are those who he chooses to be part of his cabinet, etc., should he win.

I agree with you, however I know people who are watching this aspect and for good or bad Gallups' praying has given them another reason to support Trump.
If I may use an analogy, from something I am presently dealing with some Christian friends of mine with.
My friend has decided to take some more courses from Alpha. Out of concern for my friend and his wife, I told him my concerns; using a few articles about Nicky Gumbel who is responsible for Alpha.
Rather than read the material I sent him (which I am hoping and praying he will reconsider), he told me that he took Alpha years ago and found it inspiring and it produces a lot of fruit in people’s lives. I doubt at this point he even cares about Nicky Gumbel.

This thread is not about Alpha, but the reason I bring this up, is people look at what they perceive as good fruit, rather than look directly at the beliefs and practices of who says them.
In this case, the fact Trump had a minister pray, impressed many people. How many of these people know or even care about what Gallups' believes?
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Originally Posted by AJ Castellitto
The 'parents' are in on it, the school has been closed for years, not sure if some of those kids even exist.... Or if the shooter even existed . Crisis actors, computer generated composites and government controlled and corrupted local entities...... That whole area was controlled...... If you ever see the movie eyes wide shut you will catch a glimpse into the global elite and it's pretty satanic..... It just strengthens my faith in a righteous God who will shut down all the evil and deception

Sorry, I find this harder to believe than if the event actually occurred. Parents in on it? I could see a few parents buying into this; but no way I could see that many parents buying into it.

The school closed for years? If true, why have not the locals said anything about this. Pilgrim said he knows people from that area and they don't know about this.
If it is a conspiracy, it could be bigger than Water Gate and you know how that ended.

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Originally Posted by Tom
Originally Posted by AJ Castellitto
The 'parents' are in on it, the school has been closed for years, not sure if some of those kids even exist.... Or if the shooter even existed . Crisis actors, computer generated composites and government controlled and corrupted local entities...... That whole area was controlled...... If you ever see the movie eyes wide shut you will catch a glimpse into the global elite and it's pretty satanic..... It just strengthens my faith in a righteous God who will shut down all the evil and deception

Sorry, I find this harder to believe than if the event actually occurred. Parents in on it? I could see a few parents buying into this; but no way I could see that many parents buying into it.

The school closed for years? If true, why have not the locals said anything about this. Pilgrim said he knows people from that area and they don't know about this.
If it is a conspiracy, it could be bigger than Water Gate and you know how that ended.

Tom

I find it hard to believe myself.... but I find many things hard to believe including Obama's legitimacy and yet the serious inquiries remain unacknowledged.... so, whatever.....

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Okay, let's use a presuppositional apologetic to analyze this whole premise. grin

1. It is alleged that the school was abandoned 5 years before the incident. If that were true, then EVERYONE in that city and surrounding cities and towns who were familiar with Sandy Hook Elementary School would have immediately known something was very wrong when the videos and photos were broadcast throughout the nation and newspapers reported the story. They would have seen the old abandoned building knowing it was not Sandy Hook Elementary School

No one, not even Obama or the FBI or the CIA could possibly know who was privy to the fact that the building shown in the videos and photos was not the actual school and then to buy off 1000s of people to keep quiet. igiveup

2. It would be a no brainer to prove if that building was abandoned as a school 5 years +/- prior to the massacre. School Board records, meeting minutes, town hall meetings, etc., would surely be available that show all the discussions, debates, etc., that definitely would have taken place to relocate the school or perhaps even build a new one. If an existing structure was to be used, then it would have had to be inspected to make sure it was up to code, etc. Remember, most of those people are Democrats and thrive on making regulations, require permits, etc., etc. giggle In short, it would be simple to prove that the building where this shooting took place was not Sandy Hook School. But if no such records exist, then one must conclude that the location were this event occurred was in fact the real Sandy Hook School and children and adults were in fact shot and killed.

The proposed "hoax" is so far-fetched that it is incredulous. Investigations like trouble-shooting always begins with the most reasonable and obvious and probable and then moves to the most unlikely and improbable. The so-called evidence allegedly set forth by the proponents of the hoax theory/conspiracy is all circumstantial at best and much of it is clearly imaginary.

What IS incontrovertibly true is that Obama and all the anti-Second Amendment leftists take every and any opportunity to use such tragedies to further their agenda to strip Americans of their right to bear arms and to usher in their "new world" socialism, aka: communism without the fear of a civil war.


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Originally Posted by AJ Castellitto
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The 'parents' are in on it, the school has been closed for years, not sure if some of those kids even exist.... Or if the shooter even existed . Crisis actors, computer generated composites and government controlled and corrupted local entities...... That whole area was controlled...... If you ever see the movie eyes wide shut you will catch a glimpse into the global elite and it's pretty satanic..... It just strengthens my faith in a righteous God who will shut down all the evil and deception

Sorry, I find this harder to believe than if the event actually occurred. Parents in on it? I could see a few parents buying into this; but no way I could see that many parents buying into it.

The school closed for years? If true, why have not the locals said anything about this. Pilgrim said he knows people from that area and they don't know about this.
If it is a conspiracy, it could be bigger than Water Gate and you know how that ended.

Tom

I find it hard to believe myself.... but I find many things hard to believe including Obama's legitimacy and yet the serious inquiries remain unacknowledged.... so, whatever.....
Can't argue with that.
Not that I always trust snopes.com, but I had a look at what they said and they believe it was a very real event. They even examined some of the claims of the conspiracy theorists.
By the way, look at some of the other claims made on the same web site provided and you will see that they are also holocost deniers.

Tom

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