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I was sent the following link and really don’t know what to think.


https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

I was also sent another link with Cheney condemning Trump.
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1. I really don't care whether this charade is true or not.
2. Anti-Americanism is nothing new, especially among Muslims who hate Israel and the US for being an ally to Israel... read the comments.
3. There is a minority in the U.S. that is more than privy to the corruption in our government which has become borderline tyrannical and worthy of being ousted. 99% of politicians are required to be liars and corrupt to be qualified to serve in government else they will be rejected from within the political circle and without by the majority who are no less liars and corrupt by nature.
4. The Cheney's hate Trump and always have because he hates socialism/communism and puts America first, albeit despite his own personal corruption.

My time is far too valuable to waste it on such tripe. Make better use of your time and find friends or acquaintances who are more "heavenly minded" rather than being captive to the wiles of the Devil and the things of this world. We are to live in the world but not be preoccupied with the things of this world. Avoid evil at all cost and those that are slaves of it. smile


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Originally Posted by Tom
I was sent the following link and really don’t know what to think.


https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

I was also sent another link with Cheney condemning Trump.
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Personally, when I accepted that the 2-party paradigm is a ruse to keep folks divided and distracted I gave up caring about any ‘partisan’ developments. That’s also a helpful way to keep our priorities straight.

You can say Trump’s biggest crime in the eyes of the elite establishment is that he wasn’t a warmonger. But if the system is corrupt as it appears, it’s not really worth investing a minute of our thought or concern. They are all beholden to the powers that be via monetary control and/or intimidation/(media)manipulation and are ultimately on the same side.

On the flip side, many are so invested in the here and now, that they don’t even want to entertain the prospect of mass deception and wickedness on a grand scale - it’s too terrifying for them to even consider. Thankfully, we needn’t concern ourselves with the ever adjusting plotters and schemers.

We are in a better place knowing that it’s not worth our time, loyalty or devotion. We are free from these things that we can’t control. Partake in your local, civic duties and leave the rest in God’s hands.

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Just have a clarifying question about #4.

Perhaps I am reading this wrong. Are you saying that the Cheney’s are socialists/communists?

If so, why would he have been in a member of the Bush Republican cabinet?

Also, the person who told me this is a good Reformed friend; who likes Trump; while not necessarily liking some of his shortcomings.
To me; I kind of lean more towards wanting someone like Ben Shapiro to run.
He is also a person whom is very much in keeping Christ and His Word central through whatever the government throws at us.

In Canada, as you probably know we could be on the verge of having a “social credit system” in place. That is exactly the agenda of the World Economic Forum.
As you probably know, Trudeau has praised China’s social credit system; while saying their success has to do with them having a totalitarian system.

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Tom, you are certainly free to 'categorize' the Cheney's anyway you so desire. But given how Liz Cheney has voted and her unbridled desire to destroy Trump at any cost before and during her position as Vice Chair of the January 6th 'witch hunt' with the democrats, she certainly does not qualify to be deemed "conservative". She and her father and the Bushes have always been part of the 'Establishment' (aka: Deep State) and involved with the One World Government group. If you want to be kind and relegate her/them to the "RINO" group, you can do that. But they have been and continue to be in league with the Socialist/Communist advocates since this is the system that will allow them to succeed in world dominance.

Ben Shapiro is Jewish and outside of the NT's moral precepts, he certainly has no use for Christ and His precepts as the incarnate Son of God, the Messiah, the fulfillment of all the OT prophecies, etc. This is not to say I do not enjoy much of what he writes and speaks. However, I could not imagine him as President of the United States. nope


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Yeah, Liz Cheney is very bad. She is the political equivalence of Karen Swallow Prior.

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Thanks for that information; I did not know that about Bush and Cheney. Though, nothing surprises me anymore.

I think you missed my point about mentioning Ben Shapiro.
I have no illusions about Ben Shapiro being a Christian, anymore than I believe Trump is a Christian.

I only mention him, because I have heard him speak out against much of what is happening in the world, such as abortion, as well as One World Government. He does it as someone who thinks through the issues.

I am not familiar with others in the US that might be qualified; other that perhaps Mike Pence?

If I remember something that you said properly, years ago when Trump first ran. “We are not electing a pastor, we are electing a president.” At least I think it was you.

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As I replied above re: Ben Shapiro, I do enjoy listening to him. Yes, he is a very dynamic and accomplished debater and I find myself siding with him most of the time.

One of the popular alternatives to Donald Trump is Ron DeSantis. Mike Pence is not that popular and although he is a nice guy, I personally don't think he has what it takes to be President. There are a couple of other individuals who may be qualified, but I doubt any of them would desire to run due to the extreme power and evil of the opposition. "Draining the Swamp" which is truthfully impossible to do 100% demands stamina beyond human, so to speak. And it is a necessary task which the next President must do without diminishing the other myriad responsibilities of the Office. Time will tell what God has in store for this crumbling and increasingly God-less country. shrug


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