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What is happening in Israel right now is terrible.

There is however growing support for Hamas even in the USA, Canada and Australia.

I just finished watching a news report by a Rebel News Reporter.
His comments about recent actions in Canada, the USA and Australia are well said.

https://rumble.com/v3ox0o7-terror-t...mmunity-after-jewish-school-is-targ.html

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Outsider perspective here…

Israel has the best intelligence in the world, so there are many who see these developments with a skeptical eye and wonder if this is another Pearl Harbor, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory
The elite have no problem sacrificing and hyping up the loss of innocents/civilians.

Nothing brings the media and the 2-party system together like the prospect of war. I recall Trumps attack on Syria as the moment that the media actually praised him for looking “presidential”… very telling.

Nobody (rationally-minded) is supporting Hamas, but we don’t want orchestrated chaos & war. (The perpetual war machine of the military industrial complex).


Interesting: How Israel helped create Hamas
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

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Being one who sees very little if any "preference" for Israel as a nation by God any longer, since even before the coming of Christ. In fact, I do not believe that the focus of the OT was on Israel/Jews as a permanent group, but rather a shadow/type of the visible/invisible Church, i.e., the bringing of the elect who loved and worshipped the one true God and believed in their 'favor' as being united to the Redeemer/Saviour by faith alone. Thus, I do not ignorantly see Israel as being 'innocent' in any way whatsoever throughout history. All the atrocities that have come upon the Jews have been eternally ordained by God and therefore most deserving as is true for all who are enemies of the sovereign triune God of the Bible. That men are culpable for their horrible acts upon the Jews and others regardless of their national identity, religion, race, etc, is undeniably true as well. So, looking at this latest attack upon Israel/Jews by Hamas (Palestinians/Muslims) is not surprising, IMO. This 'war' has been going on since the birth of Ismael, Esau, &co and those whom God chose to be His people. Remember:

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Hosea 1:1-11 (KJV) 1 The word of the LORD that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel. 2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, [departing] from the LORD. 3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son. 4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little [while], and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel. 5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel. 6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And [God] said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. 7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen. 8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son. 9 Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God]. 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God. 11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great [shall be] the day of Jezreel.

Hosea 2:18-23 (KJV) 18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and [with] the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely. 19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies. 20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD. 21 And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth; 22 And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel. 23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to [them which were] not my people, Thou [art] my people; and they shall say, [Thou art] my God."
Should Hamas and all such terrorists be condemned and be eradicated? I say YES. And, not BUT, let this be a call to all Jews to repent and confess their enmity against the one true God and turn to the Messiah, God the Son, Jesus Christ and receive that most necessary alien righteousness and the remission of their sins.


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That is very well put. The Israel of God are those of faith in Christ.

In the link I gave it showed the difference between how countries like Hungary and Poland handled the Muslim refugees as opposed to how others welcomed them with open arms.
What we are seeing in Canada the USA and Australia is the consequences of that.
Huge rallies in support of Hamas, shouting death to Israel.

In Australia, huge rallies for Hamas happened and someone who supported Israel, tried to show his support for Israel and was arrested.
It appears that many western countries are afraid to snuff out support for terrorist groups like Hamas.

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The following tweet is from a Constitutional lawyer I follow. I agree with her (that the greater evil is the collaborative powers that enable evil for the purpose of ushering in greater destruction & despair). I tend to take a big picture approach toward viewing these matters. The depravity of man not only begins and ends at each individual human heart, it also includes whole governments and their influencers, benefactors & controllers. Many nations are manipulated and controlled to varying degrees. Some of these terrorist groups are specially formed and compensated. I’m not saying Hamas is not exactly who they claim and appear to be. But there are special (highly deviant) interests, that will take advantage of those with a tendency toward barbarism to implement their own form of justice and global order. I’m for every image bearer, Jew or Gentile (even Muslim), slave or free, but I resent the lies and manipulations of the earthly neopagan entities and enslavers. This has nothing to do with Jews (as a nation or a people) necessarily, this is the spirit of the anti-Christ. Hopefully, Jews and Muslims of all types will come to understand ‘Jesus is Lord’ and that He is our only Hope.



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I am not convinced the Israeli government truly represents the Israeli people or their interests. Look at what the government did with the mRNA shots. It turned its population into lab rats. I am also suspicious about the circumstances surrounding the Hamas attack and what the government knew in advance.
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There is evidence that the buildup of Hamas military buildup was happening and some of that was coming from Iran.
From what I understand,Israel was lulled into a sense of false security.
If anything Israel leaders should have known better.
Regardless, Hamas did indeed invade Israel and kidnapped and raped woman. They also kidnapped babies.

Despite this, Hamas has claimed they never did this to civilians in Israel.
In the local news of the city I live in. A Liberal Church with ties to Churches in Palestine, said these Churches prefer Hamas over Israel.
Hamas and radical Muslims as you probably know, have an ideology to wipe out the Jews.

As to whether or not the Israel government truly represent the Israeli peoples best interests. That is a different matter altogether.
One could say that both Trudeau and Biden do not represent their own countries interests.
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Well, all the official spokespeople and media types seem to be clamoring for war or at least retaliation, so I guess that’s how I am supposed to feel. I’d rather people have the freedom to reveal who they are, not what others think they should be. If somebody wants to support Hamas who am I to shut them down? Maybe we should find out why they do before we “snuff out support for terrorist groups.”

What if I don’t like my choices? Do I have to pick a side? Israel should take care of business without exploiting outrage via the media… That’s called manufacturing consent.

Do you know there are many families who lost loved ones on 9/11 who seriously question the official narrative? But the media doesn’t give them a voice…

Here’s just one that has been ignored… https://voicescenter.org/living-memorial/911-stories/william-rodriguezs-story

My default instinct for every major agenda driven news report is they are lying. That’s what happens when we are lied to…

I don’t expect you to watch this but if you do let me know how it turns out…



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I don’t believe Palestinians are more evil than Israelis. I think terrorists or people who lie to incite violence are equally condemnable. Not one innocent life should be wasted, including American troops.

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One could say that both Trudeau and Biden do not represent their own countries interests.
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Actually, it’s not “ a different matter altogether “, it’s the crux of my argument. You have to take a big picture perspective, including the media-industrial-complex.

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The fact is even before I think about anything else.
I know for a fact that Hamas wants to kill all Jews.
I also know that the Palestinians elected Hamas two times now.

If Hamas wants to kill all Jews, you can’t expect to have peace.

The rest is filtered through that.

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That’s fine. But with everything else going on, maybe we can sit this one out. We don’t need to take a side or have an opinion on everything. If morons are rooting for actual terrorists, let them do so in real life and see how well that works out for them. Israel has enough fire power to wipe out “all” the Palestinians who elected Hamas. That’s not something I would get behind, but I don’t watch the news or follow many, even Conservative voices, these days. Nobody is willing to tell the whole truth. If the goal is for a majority of humanity to devour themselves and each other, we are in pretty good shape.

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The bottom line I believe, is what I believe Pilgrim already said in this thread.
Perhaps, I should not have tried to add anymore.

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Listen, just watch the video. Play it like background noise. It ties everything together and you will gain much clarity on how all these divides are by design. The powers that be are fascist, not liberal progressive. Protected classes are as disposable as anyone else. This will also strengthen your faith and trust in the One Ultimate Souce of Good. It’s obvious…to Whom Else shall we go?

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INTRODUCTION DVD 1

0.01:02 - 12 parallels between Pearl
Harbor and September 11
0.14:10 - The debate: main issues

PART 1 - AIR DEFENSE

0.14:55 - Where are the interceptors?
0.16:12 - The "incompetence theory"
(radars, transponders)
0.22:00 - The military drills
0.29:40 - Specific warnings
0.33:08 - The chain of command
0.38:10 - Promotions, not punishments
0.39:50 - The Mineta case
0.47:38 - Debunkers: "Mineta was mistaken"
0.53:18 - The Mineta case - A summary

PART 2 - THE HIJACKERS

0.57:15 - "[img]https://the-highway.com/Smileys/censored.gif[/img]-poor student pilots"
0.59:38 - Marwan al-Sheikki (UA175)
1.01:52 - Ziad Jarrah (UA93)
1.03:06 - Hani Hanjour (AA77)
1.04:00 - The debunkers' positions
1.06:00 - 2 simulations of the Pentagon attack
1.13:10 - Someone knew?
1.16:40 - Airport security cameras
1.20.15 - The missing black boxes

PART 3 - THE AIRPLANES

1.26:50 - Passenger planes or military drones?
1.28:20 - Impossible speeds
1.37:30 - What happened to the passengers?
1.38:35 - The cellphone calls
1.48:30 - The debunkers' position
1.50:38 - If not from the planes, from where?

DVD 2
PART 4 - THE PENTAGON

0.02:35 - Downed light poles
0.03:30 - The missing plane
0.04:30 - The official version
0.05:24 - Problems with the official version
(wing, ailerons, tail, engines)
0.13:09 - The mystery hole
0.14:10 - The debunkers' explanations
0.16:20 - Conclusions on damage analysis
0.17:00 - The missing tapes
0.18:30 - Security video analysis
0.23.40 - Pentagon summary

PART 5 - FLIGHT 93

0.24.15 - The empty hole
0.28.00 - The debunkers' explanations
0.33:00 - Plane crash or bomb explosion?
0.34:50 - The debris field

0.37.20 - The shootdown hypothesis
0.38:50 - The small white plane
0.41:40 - "Let's roll"
0.44:25 - Summary of Flight 93

PART 6 - THE TWIN TOWERS

0.45:10 - Introduction
0.47:45 - The Towers' small dirty secret
0.53:10 - Larry Silverstein
0.56:15 - NIST vs. Architects & Engineers
0.58:00 - Robust or fragile buildings?
1.04:45 - The initial collapse - Explanation #1
1.05:45 - The initial collapse - Explanation #2
1.07:35 - Problems with the official explanation
1.18:00 - The full collapse - No official explanation
1.18:50 - Law of physics violated
1.20:50 - The Twin Towers and freefall
1.27:50 - Debunkers' response to A&E

DVD3
0.00:20 - The hypothesis of controlled demolitions
0.01:08 - Debunkers: "Impossible to place explosives"
0.07:34 - Explosions in the Twin Towers (witnesses)
0.15:00 - "Fuel in elevators shafts" theory
0.23:25 - Debunkers: "Explosions not recorded by tv cameras"
0.30:26 - Squibs
0.33:00 - Explosive force (montage)
0.35:00 - Ejecta
0.38:00 - Diagonal cuts
0.40:15 - What happened to the hat trusses?
0.42:20 - Extreme temperatures
0.45:30 - Debunkers' explanations
0.46:45 - Twisted and mangled beams
0.47:40 - Molten steel
0.51:05 - Molten concrete

0.53:50 - Pulverization
0.57:40 - Victims vaporized
1.02:20 - Conclusion on the Twin Towers

PART 7 - BUILDING 7

1.05:10 - Introduction
1.06:35 - Official version by NIST
1.09:36 - Collapse computer simulation
1.11:00 - Fire computer simulation
1.12:20 - Debunkers: "Building 7 weaker"
1.14:25 - Preknowledge
1.19:00 - Symmetry
1.20:00 - Freefall

EPILOGUE

1.22:30 - John McCain
1.24:35 - The last word

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Originally Posted by Anthony C.
That’s fine. But with everything else going on, maybe we can sit this one out. We don’t need to take a side or have an opinion on everything. If morons are rooting for actual terrorists, let them do so in real life and see how well that works out for them. Israel has enough fire power to wipe out “all” the Palestinians who elected Hamas. That’s not something I would get behind, but I don’t watch the news or follow many, even Conservative voices, these days. Nobody is willing to tell the whole truth. If the goal is for a majority of humanity to devour themselves and each other, we are in pretty good shape.

Perhaps I should not comment on this; but you triggered me.
If these morons gather in countries like the USA, Canada and Australia, like they are doing.
That should not be allowed.
It is very clear what their motives are and it is anti-constitutional. They can’t hide behind free speech.
As I mentioned before, in Australia Hamas supporters gathered. They hate the Jews, and when someone spoke against them, they were the ones arrested.

When that kind of thing happens, it tells you that society would rather support a terrorist organization than a nation like themselves.

Israel of course is getting exactly what they deserve, as Pilgrim mentioned.
They need to repent and turn to the Messiah.

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The spirit of the Project for the New American Century* proceeds as the neocons and the leftists are on a quest to destroy sovereign nations/to create their new Tower of Babel. Israel/US/Canadian control/interests are coming from a place of Christian anthesis. NATO, the UN and the big bankers are driving much of this, so all propaganda campaigns will fuel their efforts. I’m not saying there are any good guys outside of Christ, but we can discern in a more nuanced way, rather than just picking spoon-fed sides…

*Written before the September 11 attacks and during political debates of the War in Iraq, a section of Rebuilding America's Defenses entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force" became the subject of considerable controversy: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." Journalist John Pilger pointed to this passage when he argued that the Bush administration had used the events of September 11 as an opportunity to capitalize on long-desired plans.

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That’s fine. But with everything else going on, maybe we can sit this one out. We don’t need to take a side or have an opinion on everything. If morons are rooting for actual terrorists, let them do so in real life and see how well that works out for them. Israel has enough fire power to wipe out “all” the Palestinians who elected Hamas. That’s not something I would get behind, but I don’t watch the news or follow many, even Conservative voices, these days. Nobody is willing to tell the whole truth. If the goal is for a majority of humanity to devour themselves and each other, we are in pretty good shape.

Perhaps I should not comment on this; but you triggered me.
If these morons gather in countries like the USA, Canada and Australia, like they are doing.
That should not be allowed.

It is very clear what their motives are and it is anti-constitutional. They can’t hide behind free speech.
As I mentioned before, in Australia Hamas supporters gathered. They hate the Jews, and when someone spoke against them, they were the ones arrested.

When that kind of thing happens, it tells you that society would rather support a terrorist organization than a nation like themselves.

Israel of course is getting exactly what they deserve, as Pilgrim mentioned.
They need to repent and turn to the Messiah.

Tom
Yeah, especially when Agenda2030 advocate & promoter George Soros is funding it…

https://nypost.com/2023/10/28/news/soros-funneled-15-m-plus-to-groups-rallying-for-hamas/

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Interesting perspective. Any word on possible genocide of Palestinian people in the name of self-defense? It’s nearly impossible to find a conservative view that promotes pause and true transparency…against blind allegiance towards multiple conflicts in the region that would have more in common with a neopagan one world outcome. Looking back, something doesn’t feel right about the state of Israel. May God’s will be done, regardless! It’s good to have a full perspective on these things…

“ The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the estab­lishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legiti­macy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.
In the words of the (as expounded by Rashi), the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” ….

In this understanding, the Jewish people have been removed from the causal laws that govern nature and history and are exclu­sively bound by another set of religio-ethical laws within a causal process of reward and punishment, exile and redemption: “Unless the Lord build the house, its builders labor in vain; unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman keeps vigil in vain” (Psalms 127:1).

Accordingly, any Jewish political re­vival that is not messianic intrinsically rep­resents a denial of divine providence and of the hope of redemption; it is a betrayal of the destiny and uniqueness of Israel. The attempt to hasten the End, to return by physical power to the sphere of political–and certainly mili­tary–history is a collective revolt against the kingdom of heaven, an aggressive aspiration to overstep human boundaries into the realm reserved for God–just like the deeds of the generation of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1 -9). This is an act of the devil, a demonic outburst of unclean forces that may not be corrected. It is ultimately doomed to failure, regardless of human deeds: “The Lord shall rebuke you–the Satan who has chosen Jeru­salem” (paraphrasing Zechariah 3:2)….

According to this logic, the concepts “ state” or “state” [one run according to Jewish law] are oxymorons; any Jewish state prior to the messianic age–by the very nature of its human, natural, mundane provenance–undermines and denies the Torah… The faithful, therefore, are not enjoined to struggle for the refashioning of the Jewish character of the society and the state but are required to unqualifiedly isolate themselves, to separate themselves socially from the majority of the people of Israel and politically from the State of Israel. Consequently, any use of Zionist budgets and institutions is utterly forbidden, the members of these circles doing their ut­most to deny themselves any benefit from them.”

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/ultra-orthodox-anti-zionist/



“In an interview with Iranian television reporters, Rabbi Weiss remarked: "The Zionists use the Holocaust issue to their benefit. We, Jews who perished in the Holocaust, do not use it to advance our interests. We stress that there are hundreds of thousands Jews around the world who identify with our opposition to the Zionist ideology and who feel that Zionism is not Jewish, but a political agenda. ... What we want is not a withdrawal to the '67 borders, but to everything included in it, so the country can go back to the Palestinians and we could live with them .

Iranian conference on Holocaust denial in Tehran
In December 2006, members of Neturei Karta, including Yisroel Dovid Weiss, attended the International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust, a controversial conference being held in Tehran, Iran that attracted a number of high-profile Holocaust deniers.[39]
In his speech, Weiss explained that the occurrence of the Nazi Holocaust was irrefutable and spoke about the murder of his own grandparents at Auschwitz, but claimed that Zionists had "collaborated with the Nazis" and "thwarted...efforts to save...Jews" and expressed solidarity with the Iranian position of anti-Zionism.[40] Yonah Metzger, the Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi of Israel, immediately called for those who went to Tehran to be put into 'cherem', a form of excommunication.[41]Subsequently, the Satmar Hassidism court called on Jews "to keep away from them and condemn their actions".[42].." - Wikipedia




“What explains British policy?
Britain has a long history of supporting Israeli aggression. As the mandatory power in Palestine from 1920 to 1948, Britain enabled the gradual takeover of Palestine by the Zionist movement. When the Arab revolt against Britain and its Zionist proteges broke out in the late 1930s, the British army brutally crushed it. The UK supported Israel's brutal takeover of Palestine in 1948 and also aided Israel’s 1967 war, having furnished Israel with hundreds of British tanks.

Two reasons are clear in explaining current British policy. One is commercial: arms exports and trade are increasingly profitable to British corporations. The other is that UK policy towards Israel is to a large degree determined in Washington and by London wanting to curry favour with the US and not challenge its closest ally.

But British policy goes beyond this. Gavin Williamson has said that the UK-Israel relationship is the "cornerstone of so much of what we do in the Middle East" while former international development secretary, the neocon Priti Patel, noted that "Israel is an important strategic partner for the UK".

Patel was forced to resign last year after it was revealed that she held secret meetings in Israel with key officials, including Netanyahu. Most significantly, she visited Israeli military hospitals in the Golan Heights where Israel treats anti-government fighters involved in the Syrian war, including members of the al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra, which Israel is seen as effectively supporting. Patel even wanted to give British aid to the Israeli army.

Britain effectively backs Israeli military policy in the Middle East while it has carried out more than 100 clandestine air strikes inside Syria against government, Iranian and Hezbollah targets. Israel is seen as an ally against Syria and Iran – Britain’s two main enemies in the region.

London increasingly regards Israel as a strategic asset, especially now that the old Arab-Israeli conflict has largely disappeared, meaning that Britain can more easily back both Israel and its despotic Arab allies at the same time. The Palestinians are the expendable unpeople in this deepening special relationship.”

- Mark Curtis is a historian and analyst of UK foreign policy and international development and the author of six books, the latest being an updated edition of Secret Affairs: Britain's Collusion with Radical Islam. https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/raw-truth-about-uks-special-relationship-israel


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“Orthodox Jews Expose Zionist ‘Antisemitism’ Racket of ADL
Brian Pfail

The unfoldings of the Dissident Right and mainstream conservatism through #BanTheADL put the Anti-Defamation League on its heels, prompting a call to the “reliever.”

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited Elon Musk, not just to talk about AI, but “antisemitism.”

Musk appeared to maintain the ADL’s apparent right over his platform, although, before the discourse, he accused the NGO of the platform’s revenue drop, saying he would sue. Even Con Inc. weighed in with its Jewish compatriots' milquetoast takes, creating distance from the nonprofit in a collective defense.

Interestingly enough, Ron Coleman, a prominent Jewish conservative and attorney, previously stressed to Townhall that the Orthodox Jews would, in fact, have a firmer stand.

The Central Rabbinical Congress of the US and Canada (CRC), a consortium of Haredi Jewish groups based in Brooklyn, NY, blasted the ADL, relating its issues with the NGO to the Torah.

The CRC recognized and was “deeply opposed to politicizing antisemitism,” stating that “drawing attention to every minor infraction only gives rise to more hatred. The result is a loss for us and a gain for the Israeli immigration agencies, who benefit …”

It slighted the controversial “dual-loyalty” attribution by saying, “... As American Jews … law-abiding citizens with our focus on what is best is in the interest of the USA. No foreign country represents us in any way whatsoever.”

The CRC has rebuked Zionism before and did so again:

Jews and Judaism are a religion, not a form of nationalism. The Zionist movement arose with the goal of transforming Jews and Judaism into nationalism. For this purpose, they created a sovereign state … Judaism actually demands that we show our disapproval for this movement.

The CRC continued hammering away at Zionism and Israel in the statement, declaring, “The Israeli government and all their affiliated organizations do not represent world Jewry,” and then adding, “... everyone has the right to express an opinion about Israel and its policies. This is free speech, protected by our Constitution.”

Earlier this year, the ADL released a blog post on anti-Zionism and antisemitism, explicitly stating the two are indeed the same: “Anti-Zionism is much more socially acceptable than classic antisemitism.”

However, strict Orthodox Jews tend to side with the CRC and even believe Holocaust remembrance is part of the religion of the secular Jew.

A 2020 Pew Research poll found that 76% of Jews claim the Holocaust is “essential to being Jewish.” This would explain why any slight or even comparison to the Holocaust undermines their core identity—there can be no comparisons. For one, Israel is still reluctant to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide— the brutal killing of 1.2 million Christians.

The benefits of such a “system” legitimizes the State of Israel, allowing politicians to net support from Jewish voters. It also limits criticism of Jews or anything connected to them, including public policy, through this shielding.

This is why geopolitical influencers such as George Soros are so heavily protected. The ADL posted on their blog:

If no antisemitic insinuation is intended, casting a Jewish individual as a puppet master who manipulates national events for malign purposes has the effect of mainstreaming antisemitic tropes and giving support … to antisemites and extremists who disseminate these ideas knowingly and with malice.

True Torah Jews, another Orthodox Jewish group, explained the phenomenon in “The Business of Antisemitism.”

The media and NGOs push the fear of antisemitism to stir uneasiness within the Jewish diaspora to encourage immigration to Israel. It is thought of as a means to help Israel’s “international reputation” and to be taken “seriously on the world stage.”

In 2017, opposition Leader Issac Herzog worried over “... the wave of antisemitic incidents and threats” in the US, urging the Israeli government to draw up “a national emergency plan for the possibility of waves of immigration.”

Coming back to the origins of Zionism, one of its architects, Theodor Herzl, wrote in his diary:

It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people, they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first, they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise, we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as “stooges of the Jews.” Later, their fees will increase, and in the end, we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The antisemites will become our most dependable friends, the antisemitic countries our allies.

True Torah Jews attribute this philosophy as “trumpet[ing] their premonition of imminent disasters.” Jewish NGOs are pivoting off this fear, so Jews are pressed to immigrate. As National Geographic noted in 2019, the French Jewish migrant shift after the summer of 2014’s “record levels of antisemitism” after Israel’s Gaza offensive operation, Protective Edge, killing 1391 non-hostile Palestinians.

More recently, on Wednesday, Netanyahu fearmongered the message to President Joe Biden, saying, “I think without Israel, there’s not a Jew in the world who’s secure.”

True Torah Jews believe the corporate media also melds “Israel” with “Jew,” which then “fortifies the position of both Zionists and antisemites.”

The group finished its statement by cutting ties “in any way, shape or form with the State of ‘Israel’ and their yes-men,” saying, “To ‘Israel’—leave us alone.”

In sum, it does appear these Jewish NGOs act in accordance with Israel rather than for what is best for the states. They stoke fear in the Jewish people for a return to the Holy Land. That would explain why the US has such an allegiance to Israel—to protect and ensure the Zionist ideology.

The question remains: if not all Jews favor Zionism or any attachments to Israel, why don’t we hear much of it? Orthodox Jewish groups against the movement don’t have nearly the corporate media backing and funding as opposed to other NGOs, so their voice is limited and seemingly minuscule.

According to Buzzfile, the CRC’s 2021 revenue was a mere $335,679 compared to the ADL, which racked up $101.1 million. The ADL even outpaced the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which tallied $78.3 million per data from ProPublica.

In sum, the root of the ADL’s mission is Zionism, but the forces opposed to the movement are too weak, underfunded and without much mainstream support.

True conservatives would help these groups have a voice, but looking back on the lackluster comments by Jewish conservatives, including… Ben Shapiro, this will never happen.

The aforementioned Jewish conservatives, perhaps Zionists, are also huddled around by the neocons, who advocate and support the mission. It makes sense since neoconservatism began mainly as a Jewish movement that pins Israel as “morally exceptional,”relaying back to its origins as an independent state post-Holocaust.

Full circle, doesn’t that prove the point these Orthodox Jews are making?

Jewish NGOs are enforcing Zionism upon the American people. Neocons, whether they are Zionists or not, still have a similar goal—foreign intervention and American imperialism.

The casualty is traditional conservatism and national sovereignty, but to take the offensive, especially as a gentile, is almost suicidal.

So, who can sever the head of the beast? Could it be through the coalition of the Orthodox Jews and the Left’s pro-Palestinian Jews?

Perhaps the Evangelical Christians, who tend to support the Israel cause, are the real answer. Younger Evangelicals are already reconsidering the stance. If the trend continues and the political discord settles a bit, there could be a joint faction between the three groups.

The eventual result would be a true manifestation of America First.”



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Also interesting….

“Abortion is legal in Israel. … Same-sex marriages are recognized by the legal system. This was the case nine years before same-sex marriage was legalized in the U.S. In addition, while the abusive practice of “conversion therapy” for members of the LGBT community is still legal in some parts of the U.S., it is banned in Israel.

While homosexuality and sexual diversity are either outlawed or severely censured in almost all Middle Eastern countries, Israel hosts some of the largest and liveliest celebrations of LGBT life in the world. Tel Aviv is rightfully dubbed the Gay Capital of the Middle East.” https://www.jns.org/israel-is-one-of-the-most-progressive-countries-in-the-world/

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“Aside from the fact that the Zionist project was initiated at least by the time of Herzl’s Der Judenstaat of 1896 and his founding of the World Zionist Congress a year later, and well before the Nazi ascension to power in the 1930s, the Zionists were little concerned with the slaughter of Jews in Europe and almost exclusively focused on building a state in Palestine.”
https://dissidentvoice.org/2012/07/the-zionist-nazi-collaboration/

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If anyone is interested in reading a book, The Israel of God by O. Palmer Robertson is as timely today as when it was written in 2000.

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In addition, while the abusive practice of “conversion therapy” for members of the LGBT community is still legal in some parts of the U.S., it is banned in Israel.

You mentioned “abusive conversion therapy”.


I am assuming here you mean things such a shock therapy.

The reason why I mention that, is in Canada a Bill was passed called Bill C-4, that supposedly
was supposedly be for abusive conversion therapy.
However the Bill includes all forms of conversion therapy, even talking to homosexuals, about what the
Bible says about the subject as abuse.
That I know of, there has not been anyone convicted of this yet. However, most
believe it is only a matter of time before it happens.

By the way, the issue of this thread was the growing support of Hamas over Israel.
Not whether Israel is following the ideology of the Woke culture; which it is.

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