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#6171 Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:04 PM
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Where in the Bible does the 4th commandment change from Saturday to Sunday ?

See Jonathan Edwards' apologetic for: The Perpetuity and Change of the Sabbath; it's the first item listed, in 3 parts.

See also: The Foundations of the Sabbath in the Word of God by B.B. Warfield.

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what you think Sunday is Kyle.



No, it's not merely what I think, it's what the Bible says was done on Sundays.



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Howard,<br>Where in the Bible does it list the 66 books of canon?<br><br><br>God bless,<br><br>william

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Off topic ?<br><br>Why not start a new thread about it ?<br><br>howard

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Thanks Pilgrim. I read Edwards a couple of years ago but I've not read Warfield on this as of yet.<br><br>I just wanted to know , from the Bible ONLY about the day change .<br><br>howard

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"Its what the Bible says was done on Sundays"<br><br>Where ?<br><br>howard

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[color:"blue"]No sacraments, no hearing sermons (I read them), no elders

I am grieved to hear that you are not in communion with the living body of Christ, which is His church. Neither this, nor any other Christian discussion board, nor [color:red]some time with christian friends, is sufficiently the body of Christ. If you are truly seeking answers to the many questions you have posed, then humble yourself to submit to the teaching and discipline of a church of living saints, in which context alone you will be able to watch your life and doctrine closely. Will all your questions be answered? They will certainly be put in proper perspective.



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I just wanted to know , from the Bible ONLY about the day change .

That's a really silly statement to make, Howard. As another challenged you, can you show in the Bible ONLY verses which teach the Trinity; i.e., without any additional comments, etc.? What about all the literature you send out on the subject of Infant Baptism? They are not filled with "Bible only"; i.e., just quotes from the Bible, eh? We don't cater to "SOLO Scriptura" here, but rather, we value the wisdom which the Spirit has given to men and women through the history of the church who have exegeted and expounded the Scriptures. And thus, I recommended to you several articles, sermons and one particular book, which if you read, you will have read, IMHO, the most definitive work ever written on the Sabbath. And, it deals with your particular question about the Bible's teaching in regard to the change of the day from Saturday to Sunday, although I personally believe you need far more instruction on the day itself in addition to simply the change of day.

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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Where ?</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>Howard,<br><br>Did I not quote Scripture for you? Both Acts 20:7 (Lord's Supper, sermon) and I Cor. 16:2 (tithe and offering) mention things done on the first day of the week, i.e., Sunday. Surely you don't want to say that the first day of the week mentioned in these verses isn't Sunday?


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What part of "first day of the week" do you not understand, Howard?

Some helpful links:

http://www.carm.org/sda/1stdayofweek.htm
http://www.carm.org/sda/sunday.htm

(I know you said you aren't SDA, but these articles aren't just for SDAs)


Hebrews 10:23-25

23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful;
24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

Now I know that this "assembling together" does not just mean church gatherings. We ARE the Church! But I've found that an important aspect in my Christian growth is the teaching I get in my Sunday School and church services. I understand what it means to work in a Christian environment- sometimes that can feel like "church" as you talk with fellow co-workers in Christ. But I've found church actually isn't just for my own benefits- it is yet another opportunity to glorify Christ and to be an encouragement and witness to others.


True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin
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May I respectfully suggest you read in the Church Locator forum the thread Southern England +WCF. <br><br>Nothing has changed in the 3 months since posting .<br><br>howard

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I do need all the instruction I can get Pilgrim , not just about the Lords Day either.<br><br>howard

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Ta.<br><br>howard

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Ok.<br><br>howard

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[color:"blue"]I do need all the instruction I can get Pilgrim, not just about the Lords Day either.

Howard,

I can say, without reservation, that we ALL need all the instruction we can get. But, have you possibly considered that what you need even more at this particular time is "teachability"? . . . without which all the instruction in the world isn't going to have any effect on your growing in grace. scratch1

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