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Actually I line up with the Pro-mil view, i don't know when or if, but i'm all for it!<br>troy


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John_C,<br><br>Here is a summary, with a table, that highlights some of the differences and similarities of the two views. I'm sure RonD will fill in anything that is missing or that he disagrees. <br>Partial_Preterism<br>(I definitely don't recommend anything on this site; I consider "full-preterism" or "Hyper-preterism" as outbounds of Orthodox). <br>Also, if you really want to dig in, just find the works of Ken Gentry or David Chilton( that is David Chilton before he crossed over to full-preterism shortly before his death).<br>One of his works is on-line:<br>http://www.freebooks.com/sidefrm2.htm ( it's called "Paradise Restored")<br><br>Btw, I am Amil all the way. If you do want a well done exposition of matthew 24 from a non-preterist perspective, see either the works of Herman N. Ridderbos' "coming of the kingdom", Kim Riddlebarger's "The case for Amil", or D.A Carson's commentary on Matthew 24.<br><br><br>in Christ,<br>Carlos

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Pilgrim,<br><br>Absolutely. Jay Adams is a perfect example in fact. So is Jason1646 for the most part. I'm still trying to figure him out though![img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/shrug.gif" alt="shrug" title="shrug[/img] Jason?<br><br>Ron<br>

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I might add, most partials see a transition verse in verse 36 of Matthew 24. It is asserted that the transition takes the reader from a discussion on the immediate, pending judgment upon Israel, which was fulfilled in 70 A.D., to one on the final eschaton, which is to occur at the end of the this age. I find this most agreeable. <br><br>My 2 cents.<br><br>Ron<br>

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p.s [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/idea.gif" alt="idea" title="idea[/img] I would highly recommend J. Marcellus Kik's book, "An Eschatology of Victory." You can skip over the postmillenialism section(s) if you like [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/nono.gif" alt="nono" title="nono[/img] [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/readit.gif" alt="readit" title="readit[/img], and go straight to the 100 plus page interaction with Matthew 24. It is a most interesting read and a great gift for any dispensationalist.[img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rofl.gif" alt="rofl" title="rofl[/img] Kik, by the way, pastored churches in Canada for twenty years. So, I suppose he can't be all bad! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh[/img]<br><br>Ron

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You can find Gentry's critique of "Full (hyper) Preterism here: A Brief Theological Analysis of Hyper-Preterism.<br><br>For another detailed exposition of Matthew 24, from an Amil perspective, see here: A Defense of (Reformed) Amillennialism.<br><br>In His Grace,


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Whoa! Big words...hurt eyes...brain exploding...MUST PURGE!!!

Could you all explain some of those really big words (most of which end in -ism)?

Postmillenialism -

Premillenialism -

Amillenialism -

Partial and Full Preterist -

Dispensationalism -


Man. That was a lot of typing. I used six dashes in that post. I have to go lie down now.


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[color:"blue"]Whoa! Big words...hurt eyes...brain exploding...MUST PURGE!!!

Could you all explain some of those really big words (most of which end in -ism)?



Let me put it this way:

Postmillennialism A+ [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/thewave.gif" alt="thewave" title="thewave[/img]

Partial Preterist A + [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/yep.gif" alt="yep" title="yep[/img]

Amillennialism A- [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/joy.gif" alt="joy" title="joy[/img]

Premillennialism C- [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/crazy.gif" alt="crazy" title="crazy[/img]

Dispensationalism D- [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/dizzy.gif" alt="dizzy" title="dizzy[/img] [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/sad.gif" alt="sad" title="sad[/img]

Full Preterist F- [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/nono.gif" alt="nono" title="nono[/img] [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/nope.gif" alt="nope" title="nope[/img]

Ron [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin[/img]


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Let me add that my Postmillennialism is rather incidental. What I do think is a wonderful and blessed tool though is the partial preterist view of Matthew 24. <br><br>Ron

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Nathan,

Here is a chart that describes dispensational premillennialism, historic premillennialism, postmillennialism, and amillennialism: Eschatology Chart. (A good website, over all, I'll mention.)

As for preterism, from what I understand, it's the belief that the prophecies associated with the end-times have already been fulfilled. Hyper-preterists say that it's all been fulfilled, whereas partial preterists say that some of it has been fulfilled, and some is yet to be fulfilled.


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Kyle,<br><br>Thanks! That is very helpful! About the amil view, I have trouble believing Satan is not deceiving the nations today. Does that mean the amil believes that we are in the end times?


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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"] Absolutely. Jay Adams is a perfect example in fact. So is Jason1646 for the most part. I'm still trying to figure him out though! Jason?</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out Jason too. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/scratch.gif" alt="scratch" title="scratch[/img]<br><br>Yes, I would say that for the most part I agree with the partial preterist interpretation of the Olivet Discourse even though I would be labeled as an Amil by a good number of Postmils. I also happen to think that the late dating for Revelation is compelling.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>~Jason<br><br>

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sbc_and_reformed,<br><br>Here are very able defenses of Revelations 20 in regards to the binding of satan. These wil explain what Amil believes the "binding of Satan" to mean. Please Jump to the appropriate sections.<br>Binding of Satan_Cornelius_Venema <br>Reigning with Christ<br><br>Considering the nature of book of revelation, the exegesis provided and the plethra of scripture provided in support by these works, I think that amil view is quite plausible. See G. K. Beale's Commentary on Revelation for an extensive treatment.<br><br>in Christ,<br>Carlos

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Greetings SBC,<br><br>Keep in mind that the Scriptures often employ absolute language to draw strong relative contrasts. Satan is of course still working in the world, but he has been bound, and he cannot deceive the nations as he did prior to the New Covenant. He no longer has free reign over the ignorant world. Jesus taught that the strong man must be bound in order to plunder his goods (Matthew 12:29) and this began with the apostolic ministry, where Jesus "saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." (Luke 10:18). Satan has been bound during this interadvental period and will only be unleashed again just prior to the Second Coming.<br><br>Sincerely in Christ,<br><br>~Jason<br>

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Thanks!<br><br>So "the nations" means the Gentiles, as it so often does? That makes sense. Both Gentiles and Jews can now receive the Gospel.<br><br>The part about the term "thousand" is also intriguing. I thought about why we can take the days in Genesis literally and not the thousand years, but there in Genesis the text says, "And there was evening and there was morning, one day." To me, the text tells us to take the "day" literally.<br><br>According to the amil position, when is Armageddon? What is the mark of the Beast? Which passages pertain to the destruction of the Temple, and which pertain to the time of tribulation before Christ returns?<br><br>Also, what eschatological view did Spurgeon ascribe to?<br><br>Marie<br><br>


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